Colleges your child crossed off the list after visiting, schools that moved up on the list. Why?

Crossed Off

Tufts — Too bland
Union — Too Greek, and Schenectedy does them no favors either
Bard — Too remote

Moved Up

WELLESLEY
As we drove into Wellesley, my D said, “This is Hogwarts!” and it was. Gorgeous, huge campus. (Although perhaps too huge, as the buildings were spread out really far apart and made the campus feel a little deader than it probably should have.) Impressive stone buildings and gothic architecture. This one is for Women With A Purpose. It was super empowering for D to see buildings with women’s names on them, and rows of pictures of amazing alumnae. It’s overall location was kind of meh in the suburbs. All fun off campus seems to be in Boston, 40 minutes away. But after not knowing whether a women’s college would be her thing, it moved from a Maybe to a Will Apply.

SMITH
Unlike Wellesley, Smith is in vibrant Northampton, a five minute walk into town with cafes and restaurants and bookstores. Smith is bigger and quirkier than Wellesley, and benefits from the surrounding Five Colleges program (e.g. access to guys). Everyone we met at Smith was amazingly kind and helpful. Staff and faculty went out of their way to show us around, urging us to go see the engineering labs (we got a personal tour from a faculty member who just saw us wandering the hallways) and even go backstage at the theatre. The housing system, where the students live in “rival” houses is pretty interesting too. (“I live in the house that Julia Child did.”) Campus is pretty, yes, perhaps country club, but not in a snotty way. This moved way up the list.

@odannyboySF Has your daughter looked at Bryn Mawr? Tons of gothic, prettier than Wellesley IMO. Consortium with other strong colleges, stuff to walk to, and easier city access than Wellesley.

@odannyboySF Or Mount Holyoke. We were surprised at how gorgeous the campus was, the wonderful woods and buildings, the charming people we met there, and how gracious everyone seemed. Loved it! Plus it’s part of the consortium. It was much more relaxed and peaceful than Smith IMO and retained the gorgeous woodsie areas to relax in – and had plenty of athletics. Running paths etc.

@doschicos We did look there, briefly. It doesn’t have the programs my D is looking for, alas. I know tons of alumni, including family members.

@Dustyfeathers We haven’t given it its due, mostly because it also doesn’t have the majors my D is looking for. Heard it’s beautiful though!

Up:
–Tufts: No infosession or tour because it was the weekend, so we just walked around. Friendly students were willing to talk to my kid about their school. They were great ambassadors: happy, composed and supportive of each other, which made a lasting impression on my son. Son liked the campus and Medford/Somerville (with clear view of Boston for a reminder of countless cultural opportunities). This was the last school we visited over the course of months and he was tired that day, but he became more attentive and energized as we went along – a favorable sign.

Stayed the same:
–Northeastern: attractive, diverse campus in livable Northeast city. A confident environment. Funny tour guide with a worldweary but warm shtick. At the rec center, the guide waved indifferently, saying And here is where you can work out, if you’re into that sort of thing. :slight_smile: Solid infosession led by a responsive admissions officer. You just feel the momentum and vision there.
However, the antiquated warrens of humanities offices, compared to the stunning ISEC building, made us contemplate the blunt message of valuation and attendant allocation of resources for a liberal arts student.

–Michigan: It’s Michigan; you can’t really go wrong in any department – the whole family felt that throughout our stay. The dorm rooms are tiny. Didn’t bother my son but it felt like a simulation for a stint in a deepwater submersible. The tour guide won me over when he graciously handled an obnoxious parent who insisted we start with the dorm visit (normally end of tour) because she and her son didn’t have time for the whole tour.
The infosession was a vacuous infomercial starring their solar car. Captive audience, packed room full of desperation. Son still thinks Michigan is great but OOS and their lousy FA package means the big house = the poor house.

–Dartmouth: Laid-back presentation, but in a crowded room, enlivened by a family with three wired boys and their wired father, all wearing brand-new, matching electric blue sneakers. BBQ during summer on a Faculty Friday; son met interesting prospective students. Friendly admissions officers willing to chat over lunch.
Flustered tour guide seemed to be having a bad day, and offered an apologia for joining a sorority – she gave the impression that if you want friends, you have to go Greek. A few jokes about drinking, the cold and, well, drinking in the cold.

–Bates: Pretty campus and nice dorms on a seductive summer day in Maine. Friendly students who clearly felt that the campus belonged to them. Useful infosession by a capable admissions officer. Affable interviewer. Intellectual and nurturing vibe. He wondered, however, if it was just too cold, small and isolated. He said he already went to summer camp.

Moved off:
–Bowdoin: After visit, he never mentioned it again except to say that the taxidermied polar bear made him sad. Tidy place, the students seemed poised and keen, but the other people on the tour (parents and kids) were wound tight. Saw a mother from the zippy Northeastern tour and we agreed about the strained, cold vibe at B. No one was accommodating or welcoming. Yes, the food was good but we ate alone, whereas at other campuses we were invited to join others. Aloof, inexperienced interviewer.
The admissions officer running the infosession wasn’t ready for prime time. All sorts of neuroses on display. She was presenting with a brilliant rising sophomore and all I could think was Let the kid run the show! The AO kept pointing and saying the phrase “That right there” whenever her co-presenter mentioned something that apparently exemplified Bowdoin. I felt like I was at an auction.

–WashU: Nice, encouraging AO interviewer, great course catalogue, but nothing could make up for the fact that it’s in an undesirable city. My son thought the campus was okay but I didn’t; for one thing, there is a huge parking lot in the middle of campus where a quad ought to be. The pale faux Gothic, complete with drippy turrets was, well, faux. One of the AO knew nothing about internships, handed me a pamphlet for career services. The tour guide seemed bored by her own voice. None of the students smiled or interacted with each other. And sooo hot and unbearably humid.

–Emerson: Actually fled down an alley with my son in the midst of tour. Indifferent student greeters (e.g. asked where I might find some water and they begrudgingly said there was a CVS on the corner. I turned around and directly behind me was a water cooler and cups meant for visitors). A cut rate infosession in a dark basement with an uninspired presenter.
We proceeded en masse to the staircase, where a good part of the tour was held. A grouchy doorman chastised us for blocking said staircase, but there was nowhere else to go in this euphemistically described “vertical campus.” Son gave me the look and we shuffled to the end of the line. As the tour walked to the other campus building, we hanged a tight right into the alley and ghosted.
But a bad visit is as useful as a good one; it helps clarify fit.

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Hung, that is^^^

We had an enlightening visit to our our in-state flagship, Rutgers University! My DS14 never wanted to visit and honestly neither had I but DD18’s professor really thought she should take a look being a leading national research university with lots of opportunities and an incredible,highly ranked business school (which she is looking for) and he was right! We were both VERY impressed!

Yes, Rutgers is a huge place (2,600 acres) and that was our fear…however, the school is separated into four residential campuses each with it’s own library, student center/gym and dining hall (in addition to 30+ food courts/cafes…we LOVE food!). The campus has lots of well maintained green space, D-1 sports with a 52K+ seat stadium, many housing options and a one hour direct train into NYC. Our outstanding, enthusiastic tour guide really sold her…and with a price tag of 30K all in…what’s not to love?! Many may say the bus between campuses is a drag…I’ve commuted into NYC for 20+ years from NJ…a 10 minute bus ride is a preview for life in the tri-state post graduation and a great time to call mom :wink:

^^^ 10 minute bus ride is pretty optimistic. Try 30 minutes at the wrong times… (And I commute every day to NYC from NJ too – 1 hr, 45 min each way on average.) To each their own. If your kids don’t mind busing between classes and like the sports and STEM and business programs, it sounds like a good fit. As is often noted on this topic, it’s amazing how important these tour guides are for student and parent impressions. Our Rutgers tour guide remains the worst of all 20 or so tours we have done and is still the occasional topic of conversation he was so bad. Of course if you had been into sports or frats (which no one on our bus was) he might have seemed great, so its both the luck of the draw and one’s perspective.

All schools visited great so far
Baruch and adelphi both in new york are top. adelphi accepted (private) awesome open house very informational happy students great waiting on baruch (public) great students the vibe was awesome that day we went a school that acts more high top private
accepted to york ( cuny ny) not liking it

Skidmore – Looked like the perfect school on paper-- found it depressing and the tour guide was not well informed

University of Rochester – Dull, tour guide got lost

Union - worst tour ever, no zing

Tufts – very snooty admissions; were enjoying turning prospective students away for tours and info sessions who had flown in but for some reason were not signed up; bad vibes

Good surprises: Brandeis - incredible, close-knit community; great tour guide; right level of quirkiness; Dickinson - cute campus; Colgate - beautiful and friendly

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Either I’m spoiled or just easy to impress: I can’t think of one school I’ve visited with either kid that didn’t have some redeeming qualities, and I’ve seen more than my share. That said:

What we’ve loved:

Brandeis–I’m an alum, as is my husband, and we still have a place in our hearts for our alma mater. Fortunately, our son agreed. He was wowed by the “new” (as in, it didn’t exist when we were there) and enormous science center, the “new” student center (ditto), and the ping-pong/pool room in the old student center. There was a nominal fee to play, but when the student behind the desk learned we were alums, he waived the fee and our son killed some time there before heading to our room in the Faculty Club, where we stayed overnight (not recommended because of noisy pipes.) For such a liberal campus, I was impressed that our post-Election Day visit revealed a student body that was grieving but still upbeat and taking care of each other.

University of Rochester–Just wonderful info session devoid of the usual slide shows and music. One admissions counselor held a very interactive session that emphasized U of R’s flexible requirements. The campus is beautiful, and the warm, sunny April day saw many students–current and prospective–out on the lawn, playing frisbee and talking. We were not only taken inside a dorm but inside an occupied room, which was a nice touch.

Emory–Flew down just for the day with my son in February. He adored it. Gorgeous campus reminiscent of many in the Northeast, lively student body, amazing food-court options (or maybe we were just starving), and friendliness from everyone we encountered, from students to dining-hall staff. Top-notch facilities paid for with Coca-Cola money.

We’ve seen other schools, including Cornell and Tufts, but these are the ones that have captured his little pre-med heart.

Crossed off: University of Nebraska – the city of Lincoln was way too small and boring for my daughter, and the only students we saw walking around there were drunk.
Moved up and was selected: University of Minnesota-Twin Cities – beautiful campus in two big cities, and they worked harder than anyone else to recruit her, including taking her to dinner and lunch, giving her a tour of labs with a professor, and offering her a stack of scholarships.

@citivas said

I have never stepped foot on the Rutgers campus, but I have seen several stories on the local news over the past couple years, that interviews Rutgers kids (man on the street kind of thing) or has them comment on something.
I know exactly what you are talking about!

“I can’t think of one school I’ve visited with either kid that didn’t have some redeeming qualities”

Same here, and I’ve done about 120 campus tours in ~25 states/countries since the beginning of 2014.

Yes @lauriejgs and @Hanna, that most schools have their redeeming qualities is an important point to make. I teach in an honors program at a Midwestern university with many working class students. This is not what people would call a top school. Despite severe budget cuts and kids working too much, we are all somehow learning, creating and thriving. In two weeks, students present their final projects in my Shakespeare course. Their projects: Jacobean-inspired lute composition and performance; digital theater blueprints; Elizabethan miniature painting a la Nicholas Hilliard; collaborative staged reading of a scene from Julius Caesar; critical essays on plays and sonnets; a handmade Highland tartan costume for Lady Macbeth (really!); the analysis of molecular structure and re-enactment of the botanical poison that killed King Hamlet (my pre-med chemistry major, of course); fan fiction; and an interpretive sonnet song cycle, a la Rufus Wainright.

Yes, I am indulging myself a little here because I am so proud of these wonderful students. They would do well anywhere. I have been teaching for a long time and I have learned that ultimately, with solid institutional guidance, students educate themselves.

@binky17, fantastic! And how lucky these students are to have you.

Go Ducks!

@NEPatsGirl, interesting. You’re daughter sounds like a well rounded kid. Truthfully, I think Skidmore would be a hard sell on my daughter. I’m torn about which kind of school she should attend, but she really isn’t at all, and I think Pappa has to face facts.

For example, Greek life and sports are two things that she thinks are good indicators of schools she’d like. She just told me this on our last trip. To be honest, I wouldn’t want to see her at a super liberal school, because I land pretty close to the middle on most things, but for me, hippies and independent thinkers are a good indication of a school I’d like to go to if I could do it all over again :slight_smile:

@citymama9, thanks for the Bucknell suggestion. I neglected to mention that all of the schools I named as good matches are schools that we most likely won’t be able to afford. I’m afraid to even take her to Bucknell, because I think she’ll love it. Union is the only one I mentioned that seems to give merit aid to mere mortals.

Realistically, I think we’ll be hunting in the Fairfield, Loyola Maryland, Hobart College part of the jungle. I think Union and Lafayette might come into play if she gets really serious about the SATs over the summer, but I’m not counting on it.

@happy1, my daughter liked Lafayette, but we really didn’t see much. Her impression was mainly based on the town. She liked that it was very close to the campus, and that she could easily get to restaurants, drug stores, etc… She loved Union because we saw a bunch of the kids and she felt like she would fit in there.

Both are a long shots, especially Lafayette. I’ll take you up, and PM you. Thanks.

BTW, I agree, this process is scary. We just know too much. My parents were clueless. My Dad was looking for the cheapest good option; my Mom was looking for the college that would provide the best connections. Both great ideas, but pretty basic, and both requiring far less research than what we’re all putting into this process :slight_smile: