<p>In the following article posted on Columbia's website, an Olympic athlete from Barnard College is recognized as a fellow Columbian: Columbia</a> Launches Master's Program in Oral History</p>
<p>I'm not trying to restart some feud between Barnard vs. Columbia College or anything. Just thought it was interesting.</p>
<p>^there's news about barnard profs and alums on the columbia website all the time, nothing's changed about the relationship, you're title is unneccessarily provocative for something you "just thought was interesting".</p>
<p>I don't visit Columbia's website that often, so that was really news for me. Subsequently, I wasn't going out of the way to make the title unnecessarily provocative.</p>
<p>Barnard is part of the Columbia University umbrella. Not the Ivy League :D</p>
<p>Oh dear, did I just start a fire?</p>
<p>Enough. We have enough "let's b!tch about Barnard" threads around here. They're just an excuse to complain and spread a completely wrong impression of the Columbia community to potential students.</p>
<p>Someone please lock this flamebait.</p>
<p>you gotta admit, it's kinda funny how militant people get...even about the uselessness of the argument. Yourself included, denz :P</p>
<p><em>Yawnn..</em>
Columbia claims Barnard students as their alums all the time. And rightly so. Go to their website and they claim Martha Stewart, Cynthia Nixon, Joan Rivers, etc...all as Columbia alums. Nothing new there.</p>
<p>I'm not taking 'sides' but simply stating the fact. This fact is that those who graduate from Barnard are alums of Columbia UNIVERSITY, (not Columbia College - though that's obvious)...so the article doesn't shock me or anything.</p>
<p>back then, cc was not coed so barnard was actually the undergrad school of columbia for females. that is not the case anymore.</p>
<p>But isn't Columbia "University" the Ivy League, not Columbia College? tsk tsk tsk. Going to Barnard must be so awkward.</p>
<p>CC, SEAS, GS and the graduate and pre professional schools form the ivy league</p>
<p>cerberus08, ^ really? where is this stated? I just searched all over both the Columbia and Barnard websites and didn't see anything like that. I have looked all over the official publications and all I can find is all teh schools comprise Columbia University. Can you point me in the right direction on where I can read about how Columbia University is parsed into specific schools and only those specific schools under the University are considered Ivy League? Thanks!</p>
<p>Technically, the "Ivy League" is a sports league designation. And Barnard students are included on Columbia University sports teams...</p>
<p>Though, I totally understand that those who are decrying the idea that Barnard could be considered "Ivy League" are talking about academic prestige. It just does not matter to any Barnard student that I know. And I agree with Denzera. This is very, very old and accomplishes nothing (except to make potential Barnard students nervous about potentially rude Columbia classmates).</p>
<p>"And I agree with Denzera. This is very, very old and accomplishes nothing (except to make potential Barnard students nervous about potentially rude Columbia classmates)."</p>
<p>on the money here.</p>
<p>Not to extend this any further than necessary, but this is, I think, an interesting perspective on the Barnard/Columbia University relationship from the point of view of a faculty member. It's from today's Spectator.</p>
<p>Truth is, I'm just being a tool. Personally, I have tons of friends who are Barnard girls, and I don't actually think Barnard's an inferior school: in fact, many of its departments are better than Columbia's</p>
<p>Yes, barnard's under the CU umbrella, and the ivy league, and blah blah blah, but there's this undercurrent of resentment because the schools have different admissions processes, and CC/SEAS admit rates are apparently higher. I'm not actually sure if this is true.</p>
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i'm assuming you mean lower, as the stats would back that up.</p>
<p>We know several women who go to Barnard. They say there is really no Barnard, unless you seek it or live in its dorms. They commute and take classes at Columbia, and the two on athletic teams are definitely in the Ivy League as it is a sports league though the designation has morphed to mean otherwise, it seems. Columbia and Barnard have combined teams. I don't know if the graduation ceremony is separate. I do know that the diploma is issued from Columbia University with a Barnard college designation. If anything, it seems to me that the women enjoy a bit of exclusivity in being Barnard students as those I know have gotten opportunities and internships due to the Barnard connection which is very strong and personal. At the same time they can take advantage of the career center and Columbia opportunities and programs. Barnard is a sweet deal, in my book.</p>
<p>Denz: Yeah, that's what I meant</p>
<p>This is nothing new – during the C250 celebrations in 2003-04, there were flags and posters featuring “Columbians ahead of their time,” including former Barnard students and alums like Zora Neale Hurston (on checking the site, it looks like she also attended GSAS). There were also posters of people who didn’t graduate, like the Beats.</p>
<p>As CPT points out, Barnard has the best of both worlds – it’s own sense of community, a great alumni network and access to all Columbia facilities.</p>
<p>I don’t know remember why, but technically Barnard isn’t part of the Ivy League. When I was on Ivy Council, a male GS student championed Barnard for the council, but there was some definition in the bylaws which pointed to BC not being an Ivy and thus prevented inclusion. But then, graduate schools did not have representatives on Ivy Council, either.</p>
<p>I originally wanted to go to Barnard, but they didn’t accept older students (except former Barnard students), so they directed me to GS. I found the profs more accessible at Barnard. I’d certainly encourage any daughters I have to apply there.</p>
<p>It’s the same Hogwarts. With a few subtle distinctions.
As the model Congress decided:</p>
<p>College = Gryffindor
SEAS = Slytherin
Barnard = Ravenclaw
GS = Hufflepuff</p>