Columbia Alums Successful in Business World?

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<p>I don't know about everything, I'm just saying read the resumes on Monster and Career Builder. You can do a key word search an put in whatever school you want. I know a guy who is Harvard Law, Harvard Undergrad, and some other top school for library science. No kidding he's working in some for profit law school as a law librarian making less that 50K. And that's a fact.</p>

<p>I don't know what all this means. I just know these are the facts. I guess someone else can come in here and say, now it doesn't matter what school you go to etc.</p>

<p>I think overall you have a super better chance coming from an Ivy League but the admission process does not guarantee that loosers do not get in.</p>

<p>Also, my brother says that kids from elite private schools know the drill better and just handle the work load better. There is also some sort of 'catch up' program the summer before your senior year for students from public schools that might not understand how to write a ten page paper every week and read a book a week which is what he says they do at Columbia, basically.</p>

<p>I absolutley do not claim to be able to put all this in perspective but I'm sure there is some know it all who will come in here and set us straight.</p>

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<p>I read two-four books a week as a history major. I went to an elite private school and was not prepared...</p>

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<p>I'm so amazed that half of this thread consists of a high school student, who has an internship in some HR department, opining on six-figure jobs that he absolutely knows nothing about. Just about everything this No Pain No Gain guy says is totally off the mark.</p>

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I know a guy who is Harvard Law, Harvard Undergrad, and some other top school for library science. No kidding he's working in some for profit law school as a law librarian making less that 50K. And that's a fact.

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<p>Probably because he WANTED TO BE A LAW LIBRARIAN rather than to work at a major law firm. The fact that he has a library science degree makes that perfectly clear. Law librarians don't make that much. If the guy wanted to, he could be working at a major law firm.</p>

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I don't know what all this means. I just know these are the facts. I guess someone else can come in here and say, now it doesn't matter what school you go to etc.

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<p>You're not giving FACTS. You're posting isolated instances of resumes you've seen on Monster.com which tell you absolutely nothing about anything of import.</p>

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I think overall you have a super better chance coming from an Ivy League but the admission process does not guarantee that loosers do not get in.

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<p>So, someone's a "looser" because they choose to be a librarian despite going to Harvard Law? I guarantee you the person WANTED to be a librarian, and it isn't the case that they couldn't have done better.</p>

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Also, my brother says that kids from elite private schools know the drill better and just handle the work load better. There is also some sort of 'catch up' program the summer before your senior year for students from public schools that might not understand how to write a ten page paper every week and read a book a week which is what he says they do at Columbia, basically.

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<p>And we care about what your brother has to say because why? That sentence makes absolutely no sense, FYI.</p>

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<p>I don't know about everything, I'm just saying read the resumes on Monster and Career Builder. You can do a key word search an put in whatever school you want. I know a guy who is Harvard Law, Harvard Undergrad, and some other top school for library science. No kidding he's working in some for profit law school as a law librarian making less that 50K. And that's a fact.</p>

<p>I don't know what all this means. I just know these are the facts. I guess someone else can come in here and say, now it doesn't matter what school you go to etc.</p>

<p>I think overall you have a super better chance coming from an Ivy League but the admission process does not guarantee that loosers do not get in.</p>

<p>Also, my brother says that kids from elite private schools know the drill better and just handle the work load better. There is also some sort of 'catch up' program the summer before your senior year for students from public schools that might not understand how to write a ten page paper every week and read a book a week which is what he says they do at Columbia, basically.</p>

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I absolutley do not claim to be able to put all this in perspective but I'm sure there is some know it all who will come in here and set us straight.

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<p>You're not putting anything into perspective at all. You're just making matters worse.</p>

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<p>Lol... wow, that was kinda harsh. But yea, I'll probably ED columbia.</p>

<p>p.s. Anyone feel like critiquing my essay?</p>

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<p>So Columbia whatever year -- have YOU ever surfed resumes on Monster or Career Builder?</p>

<p>Yes or No? Yes or No?</p>

<p>You can put in a search word and you will find resumes.</p>

<p>I put in the search word "Columbia" </p>

<p>I looked at the the resumes.'</p>

<p>I printed them out.</p>

<p>There are plenty of Columbia Business School graduates looking the the 60,000 dollar range. That's a fact. It doesn't matter if I'm 18 or if I'm 23. This is not rocket science.</p>

<p>Also, making 100,000.00 in New York City is HORRIBLE?</p>

<p>Do you even know what HORRIBLE is? It's serving in a was zone in Iraq. It's loosing your family to bombings. It's not being able to support your family on minimum wage.</p>

<p>That's what horrible really is.</p>

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<p>Here's the pre-freshman summer program for admits that might not be prepared for college work:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.gs.columbia.edu/heop1.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.gs.columbia.edu/heop1.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Why do we care about my brother? You don't have to care about him. He's a senior and I look up to him and he does convey factual information that Columbia Whatever Year may not have. Like the pre-freshman summer program that obviously Columbia WHATEVER YEAR did not know about.</p>

<p>Sure, people can be law librarians and that's great if you go to Harvard and end up at Harvard but if you end up at some FOR PROFIT LAW SCHOOL that does not even get the benefit of copyright exceptions for its library or its students then that's pretty bad. You do know about that don't you Columbia WHATEVER YEAR.</p>

<p>Right, you do understand that a NOT FOR PROFIT instution of higher learning has NO - ZERO - NONE - as in no copyright exceptions that allow important and significant leaway in using copyrighted material for its students, professors and LAW LIBRARIANS. Especially law librarians. Ending up at a FOR PROFIT law school is just not an ideal situation. </p>

<p>In case you want to read up on it you can link here:
<a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/search/display.html?terms=higher%20education%20copyright&url=/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000107----000-notes.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/search/display.html?terms=higher%20education%20copyright&url=/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000107----000-notes.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Oh, and by the way, Columbia Whatever Year -- I did not just work for two weeks in human resources, that's an unfounded presumption.</p>

<p>One of MANY.</p>

<p>I may be 'just making things worse' FOR YOU! Because you look mean and not really as knowledgeable is you are so craven to appear! SO WHAT"S UP WITH THAT.</p>

<p>So, I know Columbia WHATEVER YEAR does not care about my brother but he said he was up for the workload, it was similar to his highschool, which is my highschool, which is cool for me anyway. Sorry, Columbia WHATEVER YEAR, for sharing. </p>

<p>But hey dude, don't think she's the one you want criticizing OOPS, I mean critiquing your essay.</p>

<p>WAIT, I AM RIGHT, IS THIS PERSON AN OFFICIAL INTERVIEWER FOR COLUMBIA? PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTION, I MEAN SERIOUSLY, IS THAT RIGHT? I mean is this person right for that job?</p>

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<p>I absolutley do not claim to be able to put all this in perspective but I'm sure there is some know it all who will come in here and set us straight. </p>

<p>AT LEAST I GOT SOMETHING RIGHT!</p>

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<p>No Pain No Gain, his name is Columbia2002 and your logic is bad. You're committing the fallacy of composition with your Monster.com argument.</p>

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<p>Quote from Columbia WHATEVER YEAR. (2002 - claimed).</p>

<p>First of all, the odds of you getting into both Columbia and Wharton are minimal. You'll be very lucky to get into one of them, so any such conversation is really premature.</p>

<p>Second, free CU tuition isn't that great a deal because your parents are taxed on that money. So, it's really half off.</p>

<p>Admission to both is impossible if you're doing early decision Right??? Columbia WHATEVER YEAR?</p>

<p>Okay, if your parents work at Columbia what at the chances they'll be taxed at the fifty percent rate? Zero. There is no fifty percent rate. Unless Columbia WHATEVER YEAR has just enacted a fifty percent tax rate for tuition exemptions.</p>

<p>Bottom line, taxed at regular rate FOR GRADUATE COURSES. So, are we discussing graduate courses?</p>

<p>I'm sure Columbia WHATEVER YEAR has some slick explanation for that faux pas.</p>

<p>Here's the real skinny on the topic:</p>

<p>Dependents</p>

<p>If your college-age child, or that of your spouse or same-sex domestic partner, is in an undergraduate program at Columbia or Barnard, your benefit covers 100 percent of their tuition, limited to eight terms at Barnard. If they are not in a degree program, your benefit covers 100 percent of their undergraduate courses at Columbia or Barnard as long as they are a candidate in good standing at another college or need special preparation to enter college or graduate school.</p>

<p>Taxation</p>

<p>Officers, spouses, and children of officers or spouses: As of January 1, 2002, the value above $5,250 per calendar year of tuition exemption for graduate courses—except those that are job-related or taken as part of an undergraduate degree program—is considered taxable income, and therefore Columbia will withhold taxes. Undergraduate courses are not considered taxable income unless they are taken as part of a graduate degree program.</p>

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<p>FOR GRADUATE COURSES. Did you happen to read that Columbia WHATEVER YEAR?</p>

<p>Taxation is for Graduate Courses not for undergraduate courses. May I repeat NOT FOR UNDERGRADUATE COURSES.</p>

<p>Look whose got the REAL answers now. Maybe I should be the one to dominate the discussion.</p>

<p>Let's look at the benefits:</p>

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<li> I'm not mean.</li>
<li> I go to the source.</li>
<li> I get the facts.</li>
<li> I publish the facts.</li>
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<p>Here's the link: <a href="http://www.columbia.edu/hr/benefits/fobib/tuition/tuition.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.columbia.edu/hr/benefits/fobib/tuition/tuition.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I repeat, it's not rocket science. It's just a question of doing it.</p>

<p>I am someone who is willing to do it and not just write down anything to try to make myself look good.</p>

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<p>I'm not making an assumption regarding the whole class.</p>

<p>I'm just stating a fact.</p>

<p>You're making the assumption.</p>

<p>I'm not sure Columbia WHATEVER year is even doing that. Is she questioning the fact or what?</p>

<p>It's hard to tell. She rambles a lot.</p>

<p>Seems like she gets a little hysterical about stuff.</p>

<p>Maybe she has just elevated things with her mean attitude.</p>

<p>The fallacy of Composition is committed when a conclusion is drawn about a whole based on the features of its constituents when you have not made a justification provided for your inference. I have not made the inference!</p>

<p>I am not reasoning from the characteristics of individual members of a class or group to a conclusion regarding the characteristics of the entire class or group. I admit there are probably some graduates who make a little more than $100,000 on graduation. Face it, the highest paid attorney from the highest paid firm graduating from the top law school will make $145,000 a year and that is just a very select few.</p>

<p>Actually, if you are presuming that based on the Monster resumes the entire group is making in the $60,000's which I'm NOT then YOU are making the fallacy of composition NOT ME!</p>

<p>This line of reasoning is fallacious because fact that individuals have certain characteristics does not, in itself, guarantee that the class and looking at the class as ONE UNIT has those characteristics. </p>

<p>However, drawing an inference about the characteristics of a class based on the characteristics of its individual members is not in all cases fallacious.</p>

<p>There can be justification to come to the conclusion. There are exceptions. But we do not need excpetions here because I am not making a conclusion.</p>

<p>I am by my own admission just stating a fact.</p>

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<p>There was, whether you want to admit it or not, and unstated premise in your argument. The fact that there is a Harvard graduate or Columbia B-school graduates on Monster.com asking for $60,000 proves absolutely nothing. I'm not sure why you even brought it up. You shouldn't have. And, if you look at the last few posts, I think it's clear who rambles most.</p>

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<p>Hey dude, read the posts, in the context it makes sense and if you still can't figure out why I posted it then maybe you can't follow the thread.</p>

<p>And it took a lot of posts to clear up the mis-information of Columbia WHATEVER YEAR. There was a lot of it!</p>

<p>And a Monster resume of a B-School grad willing to work for $60,000.00 dollars does not prove nothing.</p>

<p>It proves that they are putting their resume out there saying they will work for 60K.</p>

<p>If you want to make inferences about that go ahead.</p>

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<p>So, your statement proves something that is trivially true. When people place their resumes on Monster.com asking for 60K/year it proves that people place their resumes on Monster.com asking for 60K/year. Good job. It speaks nothing about the earning capacity of Ivy League graduates, which is what I thought you were acknowledging when brand_182 made his post.</p>

<p><quote>If they check they're willing to make in the 60's on their Monster Resume then they've looked around and a few have had a couple of jobs. They know what they can realistically expect.</quote></p>

<p>Columbia2002 already acknowledged your fallacious reasoning, but I will too. First off, it does not follow that one has had previous employment experience by just checking a box. Second, checking a box on a website does not, in any way, prove that he/she is making the checked amount.</p>

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<p>Someone just emailed me to tell me Ictanti and Columbia 2002 are the same person.</p>

<p>Whoa. Cool. When Columbia 2002 screws up big and gets challenged this Ictanti persona can come to her rescue without having to explain her mistakes.</p>

<p>Bummer. Big time bummer.</p>

<p>I'm making another person and I'll be right back.</p>

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<p>LoL. If I were Columbia2002 then I would have been able to properly quote your text without having <quote>, </quote> show up.</p>

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<p>lmao who emailed you and said that?</p>

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<p>I don't know Columbia2002, and I'm not here to fight his/her battle. I just think you're wrong, plain and simple.</p>

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<p>There you go, making inferences again. Why do you keep making inferences?</p>

<p>First off, cool, first off. I love that, it's so authoritarian. Okay, First off, "It does not follow that one had previous employment experience."</p>

<p>Well, if you read the resume and see they've had previous employment then you know they've had previous employment, dude.</p>

<p>Do you even know how these resumes look when you pull them up on the employer side?</p>

<p>Second, I assume you mean "Second Off" for consistencies sake. So, Second off, "checking a box on a website does not, in any way, prove that he/she is making the checked amount."</p>

<p>No, what it indicates, not proves, what it indicates in the common business practice of placing one's resume on Monster is that one is willing to work in that range of income. It is important to keep in mind the purpose of selecting an income range within the specified categories. The purpose is to indicate to the prospective employer the resume poster's income. </p>

<p>Don't think too many employers are going to call someone in and say, "I see here you were making 50K at your last job and you've checked 60K for this job. Dude, that's way too low. We're offering you 75K because you went to Columbia or whatever." You know if you start low you get locked in low. That's just a sad fact I learned this summer.</p>

<p>Do you understand the distinction between imply and infer and the relationship between making an inference and an implication?</p>

<p>Ictanti/Columbia WHATEVER YEAR seem to be making inferences from facts that are stated as facts without specific or non-specific implications.</p>

<p>Oh, yeah. Think my little high school kid arguments can take on Ictanti/Columbia 2002 any day!</p>

<p>Now, I'm going to come back as my new person and tell everyone how great I am! Cool. I am my own cheering section. No, never mind. I'm just going out with my little high school friends and play cowboys and Indians.</p>

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<p>Instead of shooting hoops with your little high school friends, why don't you read the following:</p>

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<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/020530902X/sr=1-1/qid=1155072166/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-7301843-1743230?ie=UTF8&s=books%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/020530902X/sr=1-1/qid=1155072166/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-7301843-1743230?ie=UTF8&s=books&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Good luck with your college applications.</p>