<p>Look at this article about Columbia students protesting the Minutemen Organization. Actions like that take a school right off my list.
<a href="http://counterpunch.org/lopez04132007.html%5B/url%5D">http://counterpunch.org/lopez04132007.html</a></p>
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We won because we sent a signal to immigrants everywhere that we don't have to accept violence and harassment as a legitimate part of the immigration debate.
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<p>What idiots. They should be expelled.</p>
<p><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=cfnn7wTgoE8%5B/url%5D">http://youtube.com/watch?v=cfnn7wTgoE8</a></p>
<p>here's the link to the actual thing. there was another thread about this when it happened but to summarize:</p>
<p>1.) the speaker was extremely stupid. instead of trying to actually give a speech, he instead taunted the protesters in the crowd.
2.) the speaker threw the fist punch (i think, too lazy to doublecheck)</p>
<p>i agree that they should be expelled but it shouldnt be made to seem that they are ACTUALLY bat ***** crazy (even if they are talking like they are)</p>
<p>newsflash: columbia has political activists, many of whom have unusual ideas that they believe in VERY strongly.</p>
<p>strangely, the school seems to do equally well in nourishing idealists and in nourishing hard-nosed businesspeople. there's a fairly easy peace.</p>
<p>oh yeah</p>
<p>3.) most of the people protesting the rally were not actually students</p>
<p>forgot about that one</p>
<p>Second newsflash: The average American doesn't give a damn what college students protest about. I don't even know why they made such a big deal over this.</p>
<p>They lacked news material, so they took what they could get.</p>
<p>These students are intellectual lightweights. Apparently what Gilchrist said—and any conservative ideas for that matter--are not in the pale of discourse (but apparently they feel that their punishments for behaving like animals should be). Plus, they have the audacity to claim racism. </p>
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[Columbia] attempts to stifle and silence our widening movement
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This is exactly what these students did (to the benefit of “condemning..[an] organization whose very presence represents terror and violence in immigrant communities”). Convenient way to silence opposition, no? And these people cite the hypocrisy of Columbia’s punishment? </p>
<p>These students should be expelled and launched into deep space.</p>
<p>What they did was inexcusable, but I have to admit that the Minutemen leader is not the brightest person either. During one interview with one of the student leaders, he actually left the interview, because well.. he bascially got bashed by her arguments. Losing a debate against a college student doesn't really make one look competent.</p>
<p>I think the key thing here is the diversity of viewpoints (or lack thereof) in Columbia. I speak specifically of how unable and unwilling Columbia students are to engage all viewpoints. Any idea (and certainly the one Gilchrist was discussing) should be in the pale of academic discourse. Where is the outrage in the campus/admin towards this obvious threat to open communication?</p>
<p>I would have liked to see swifter and more decisive action on the part of the admin.</p>
<p>Unable? Nah. And it's unfair to say that about all Columbia students. Most students at Columbia aren't the kind of people who engage in huge protests.</p>
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Unable? Nah. And it's unfair to say that about all Columbia students. Most students at Columbia aren't the kind of people who engage in huge protests.
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<p>It's essentially the official stance of the Columbia administration that this behavior is acceptable. I think it's fair to attribute the actions of a few to Columbia itself, given Bollinger et al.'s colossal cowardice with this.</p>
<p>Wait, but isn't columbia overwhelmingly liberal.</p>
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<p>It is -- students, faculty and administration. If you're a La Raza type, you might think that Hillary Clinton is a conservative.</p>
<p>Uh oh. As long as you don't have to be super liberal in order to have a social life.</p>
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I think the key thing here is the diversity of viewpoints (or lack thereof) in Columbia. I speak specifically of how unable and unwilling Columbia students are to engage all viewpoints.
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<p>are you a columbia student or a high school one? because what you just said is absolutely ridiculous. seriously. you sound like bill o'rieley (sp?)</p>
<p>firstly, gilchrist WANTED it to blow up like that. he was baiting people and really should have been charged with assault. secondly, a LOT of people inside listening and the VAST MAJORITY of people outside protesting were NOT columbia students. they were people from the surrounding neighborhoods.</p>
<p>unless you were actually there, then you cant speak on what happened and why.</p>
<p>also, name me another time this has happened. name me another time where there has not been something of importance discussed in the "pale of academic discourse"</p>
<p>seriously, i cant walk past butler and see a pro-israeli/immigration/whatever flier about some speaker without also seeing a pro-palestine/anti-immigration/whatever one about another speaker.</p>
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unless you were actually there, then you cant speak on what happened and why.
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<p>This is a strawman. We all saw the video. We can come to our own conclusions. So Bollinger can't hand out punishments and the NYPD can't investigate crimes because they didn't see it live?</p>
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also, name me another time this has happened. name me another time where there has not been something of importance discussed in the "pale of academic discourse"
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<p>Who was the Holocaust-denier MELAC professor who harassed a bunch of Jewish students a year or two ago, and caused that whole controversy? Massad perhaps?</p>
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This is a strawman. We all saw the video. We can come to our own conclusions. So Bollinger can't hand out punishments and the NYPD can't investigate crimes because they didn't see it live?
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<p>the video depicts about...what, 45 seconds of what happened? and you can't even hear what he was saying before people rushed the stage.</p>
<p>coming to a conclusion is not the same as making the VERY bold and broad statement:
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<p>also, would you agree that both Bollinger and the NYPD investigate? interviewing people is key in both prosecuting crimes and in Bollinger handing out punishments</p>
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Who was the Holocaust-denier MELAC professor who harassed a bunch of Jewish students a year or two ago, and caused that whole controversy? Massad perhaps?
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<p>I'm assuming this is it?
<a href="http://wikicu.com/Columbia_Unbecoming%5B/url%5D">http://wikicu.com/Columbia_Unbecoming</a></p>
<p>what more backlash was there than what the article says (some hate mails/death threats) ?</p>
<p>i realize the above post is very disjointed and lacks continuity but i'm tired and don't feel like editing it. i think the important points are clear enough</p>
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Who was the Holocaust-denier MELAC professor who harassed a bunch of Jewish students a year or two ago, and caused that whole controversy? Massad perhaps?
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<p>Wow, this is the most blatant misrepresentation I've ever seen of the MEALAC incident. Holocaust denier?</p>