“May”? As said, he is almost certainly wrong. Please feel free to show another data set if you want concerning fraternity deaths. If you think the number of murdered college or graduate students, let alone those who suffer lesser but severe physical trauma from unprovoked crime, surpasses this list I think you should reevaluate.
“Doesn’t surpass”*
Of course!
Which is why it’s important to not let blanket statements such as “I’d never let my kid go to college in NYC” stand.
The death of a 30-year-old at the end of 2021, has no bearing on the risk of attending colleges in NYC - just the same as me having picked incidents that occurred elsewhere in the country this year would be a reasonable factor to decide whether to let my kid attend college or engage in other activities in those states.
I wasn’t trying to demean - I was offering to view this in the proper scope.
I have lived in and around NYC most of my life. I’ve seen good NY and I’ve seen bad NY…we are now living in bad NY.
I would love to explain why, but I will probably be censored by CC. Seems that espousing an opinion is somehow dangerous or hurtful or violent. They may block this post for just saying that. Crazy times.
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Having trouble keeping up with all the flagged comments. LOL. Look, to understand the stabbing that took place in Morningside Heights, you have to understand something about Manhattan Island: It is one of the most eminently walkable metropolitan areas in the world. This guy stabbed someone on a major thoroughfare and within minutes was a mile away where he stabbed someone else (who apparently survived their wounds.) This is a homelessness problem; it is a mental health problem; and, I’m sure there’s a drug connection to boot. But, trying to calculate the odds of dying in NYC of a random stabbing versus dying in some other part of the country because of free access to guns - that’s mindless.
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That’s her choice and it may make sense for her child. She’s not recommending it for others necessarily. Kids from suburban and rural areas don’t understand city life, it is a steep learning curve many will not catch up to. The consequences of misreading the streets are dire. I am sure a college on the upper east side is a different experience than Union Square or morningside heights, at least in terms of acclimating
Not really. You absolutely have to be aware of your surroundings no matter what part of NYC you’re in. That’s the point I was trying to make upstream.
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I guess my age is showing - I truly have seen bad NYC, e.g. 30+ years ago. Fort Apache, anyone? I remember driving through Manhattan neighborhoods and locking the car doors. I remember entire city blocks looking like Frankfurt or Hamburg after the bombings.
While there will be “up-years” and “down-years” (sometimes related to trends elsewhere in the nation, or the world), even when there is a spike, this is still very much “heaven” to how I vividly remember NYC of the past.
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Not every incident is qualified as “hazing”. But just thinking back over the past 12 months alone, I do remember 3 maybe even 4 deaths where fraternities were faulted?
I recall one. Where I take issue with this is that there is a phenomenon (22 and hinders getting blitzed regularly) under which a lot of fraternity behavior falls. The hazing is a distinct and separate matter worth comparing it to.
From last November till now:
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Thanks for the articles. I would include the boxing under the “fraternity specific” since “independents” are highly unlikely to do events like that. The fraternity likely didn’t take the safety measures a reasonable person would.
The alcohol incidents are somewhat different. While those individuals would almost certainly not have died if they didn’t join the fraternities they did, independents have tons of alcohol issues as well. Compared to when I was in college, there’s a lot more info on fraternities on chat boards like this and they’ll state in pretty clear terms which fraternities will have a gnarlier pledging experience.
Might I suggest you all move on from fraternity hazing.
I will also take the opportunity to remind users of forum rules that political posts in the realm of ‘things that politicians should do’ are not allowed in including but not limited to gun laws, funding/defunding police, prison/bail reform.
In 2019 there were more murders in Baltimore than in NYC despite the fact that NYC has 13 times the population of Baltimore.
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May I ask what point you are trying to make here? I am confused. Baltimore outside a strip of the waterfront and 2-3 yuppie areas is not pleasant at all. As in if you walk outside past dark for a few hours every night for a year something very very bad will happen.
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