<p>... thx for the candid opinions.</p>
<p>Don't ask. This site doesn't need another of these threads. </p>
<p>I don't mean to sound rude. Just do a search. Everything you need to know has been said already. For better or worse, you can hear the gamut of opinions without raising this issue again. Best of luck.</p>
<p>Yes, for the love of god we don't need another one of these. There's a 5 page topic on this somewhere, look for it.</p>
<p>STOP ... do not pass judgment ... just poor execution.</p>
<p>Pardon. I did not know this had been addressed so many times before :). I have been searching for info about various wos colleges in multiple books/websites and still can't quite work it out. Either the comments are full of the typical negative stereotypes or seemingly very PC. </p>
<p>I spent 12 years at girls' school and loved it ... I want to make sure my DD ends up in the right spot for her. </p>
<p>I do not care about sexual orientation etc etc. but I do care about my child being subjected to a very strong "girl code" ... basically do it our way or we turn our backs ... either liberal or conservative. I find it more damaging than discrimination. </p>
<p>Women can be brutal to each other or unbelievably supportive.</p>
<p>Where do you suggest I look?</p>
<p>"Pardon. I did not know this had been addressed so many times before . I have been searching for info about various wos colleges in multiple books/websites and still can't quite work it out. Either the comments are full of the typical negative stereotypes or seemingly very PC."</p>
<p>do a search on this forum you'll get the spectrum of responses</p>
<p>"basically do it our way or we turn our backs ... either liberal or conservative. I find it more damaging than discrimination. "</p>
<p>this is more applicable to barnard students within barnard, columbia students wouldn't be able to set any 'code' at barnard, but more fundamentally I highly doubt there is such a code in colleges and univs as large and diverse as columbia and barnard. </p>
<p>As a columbia student, i personally have several barnard friends, we all make fun of one another's schools and our own schools, and it works well that way.</p>
<p>I was a Columbia student, and, to be frank, I had many Barnard friends, who were all terrific. </p>
<p>There was the flip side of the coin, however. Although I don't agree with all the stereotypes out there, there are some that I feel are true, and find it sad. For example, the girls who claim they go to "Columbia", I know this debate has been rehashed over and over, but Columbia and Barnard split in 1983. Barnard is NOT the Ivy League, it has a different admissions process and there are girls who go there because they didn't get into Columbia. I'm all about school spirit, and I hate it when Barnard girls act like they don't go to Barnard because they feel it's less prestigious or they'll be looked down upon, or something. It's a terrific school, and needs to be treated as such. There's my ivory tower.</p>
<p>"I'm all about school spirit, and I hate it when Barnard girls act like they don't go to Barnard because they feel it's less prestigious or they'll be looked down upon, or something"</p>
<p>I would be just as unhappy if theoretically NYU or fordham students claimed to be going to columbia, or if columbia students claimed to go elsewhere, like if a columbia girl claimed to go to barnard or if a Columbia college student claimed to go to seas. It's a matter of proper representation and accuracy, not a matter of prestige or snobbery.</p>
<p>MQD--my S went to Columbia till recently (long story, not apropos), and has a good friend who transfered out of Barnard--her complaint: it wasn't enough of a women's school, she ended up taking too many classes at C, didn't feel she was having the B experience she expected. Of course, just one story.</p>
<p>My S never had a problem with Barnard students (like I said, the above woman is a close friend) and took several classes at Barnard.</p>
<p>Off topic, but, since we discussed Wes at another thread, I should add that the women there were unbelieably supportive of one another--my D would never consider a women's school, but she ended up putting together a network of female friends at Wes that, four years later, are very, very close. I never heard one aspect of the "girl code" you have speculated about existing there in any form. So if you're not just looking at women's schools, I urge you to check it out.</p>
<p>Now, back to your regularly scheduled B vs C thread....:)</p>
<p>Garland ... thank you. My mother in laws support structure from Wes is incredible ... 50 years later and all ages!</p>
<p>Interesting that B was not enough of a W experience for your Ss friend. I had not thought of that aspect ... hmmm ... food for thought.</p>
<p>THX all ...</p>
<p>I'm sorry but it sounds like you are forcing your daughter to go to an all girls school.....</p>
<p>From where in the OP's post did you get that impression? I see nothing that suggests that at all.</p>
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I have been searching for info about various wos colleges in multiple books/websites and still can't quite work it out. Either the comments are full of the typical negative stereotypes or seemingly very PC.</p>
<p>I spent 12 years at girls' school and loved it ... I want to make sure my DD ends up in the right spot for her.</p>
<p>I do not care about sexual orientation etc etc. but I do care about my child being subjected to a very strong "girl code" ... basically do it our way or we turn our backs ... either liberal or conservative. I find it more damaging than discrimination.
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<p>pretty much all of that makes it sound like she, the mother, is doing all the research. every time i've seen that it usually means the kids have little to no say in the matter.</p>
<p>Can you blame the Barnard girls who are jockin Columbia? society makes it an obligation to stress yourself over being associated with the more "elitist" everybody wants to be looked upon so they'll do all it takes to be associated with the elitist even when they're not.</p>
<p>Besides, columbia is also guilty of it too. On the bachelor degrees it says Columbia Univeristy, Barnard College. So obviously some Barnard girls are going to take the easy way out and save themselves the trouble of explaining their not so popular school by saying "Columbia."</p>
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<p>Hold on, let me refer to the online dictionary of acronyms and abbreviations right quick.</p>
<p>SHRaylor ...</p>
<p>Yes I am doing "too much" research for her but that is a family decision ... I have the time right now, she does not and we have an open good relationship. </p>
<p>She was gone all last year without access to the internet and is relying on me to do the first cut so to speak. </p>
<p>No need to pass judgment. This is a give and take ...but I am the only one on CC. </p>
<p>Oddly enough, being an adult and a parent, I do have some wisdom I can pass on such as the differences in women's organizations etc. Being that tuition is so high and it will dramatically affect the well being of the family, when it comes down to it, it IS ultimately a family decision. We do not have the luxury of hoping/wishing our child does the right thing. It is a family endeavor. She wants my perspective ... she knows my biases and visa versa so all is taken in context.</p>
<p>And we are not just looking at women's colleges. But I am digging deep into women's colleges because they can be incredible ... and her GC and Academic Dean think she should consider them along with many others ... so ... the world can be more complex than at first blush. ;)</p>
<p>Matter of fact DD is in the lead here ... and frankly, where she has always been!</p>