<p>I know that columbia and upenn may be regarded more as 'good schools' in public due to their 'ivy league' status. however, their engineering programs may not be as stellar as UIUC's. I'm leaning more towards columbia or upenn because I don't really like the atmosphere of a HUGE public school. Though the excellence of UIUC's program still leaves me in doubt.</p>
<p>do those dubious and fallacious engineering rankings matter in job placement? like when there are two applicants, one is from a 'top 5' eng. school and the other's from 'top 30' eng. school, would the employers favor the 'top 5' applicant more?</p>
<p>i'm also planning to attend a grad school outside of US, probably in europe. do they care about engineering rankings too in admissions?</p>
<p>(oh God those rankings have brainwashed us all)</p>
<p>Has anyone ever given up 'ivy league' pretentious universities for public-strong-in-engineering universities e.g. UIUC, purdue, GTech, etc?</p>
<p>thank you so much and merry christmas folks!</p>