<p>I noticed on the sorority websites for Columbia that the sororities at Columbia while small, are comprised of girls equally from Columbia and Barnard and that each sorority therefore has only has a small number of girls from Columbia. I know that Barnard girls take classes at Columbia. I did not realize that the social life was that intergrated between the two schools. Can any female students at Columbia comment on the social life for girls at Columbia and whether it is easy to make a connection with other girls at Columbia?
Thanks</p>
<p>Why does it matter if you're friends with a Columbia girl or with a Barnard girl? A girl is a girl.. you should make friends based on common interests and compatibility, not what school they matriculate to.</p>
<p>Of course the social lives are connected. I can't speak for greek life, but Columbia clubs are SEAS/CC/GS/BC. The distinction becomes more or less meaningless, I'm not sure why so many people harp about Barnard's independence. De facto, it's an undergraduate school of Columbia. The girls are in your classes, Lerner student center, the libraries, your clubs, and sometimes your dorms.</p>
<p>More than likely your initial social network will branch out from your freshman John Jay/Carman or Lit Hum experience which will be, yes, CC girls.</p>
<p>Are you opposed to befriending Barnard girls in addition to Columbia ones? They won't spill low SAT juice on you, I promise.</p>
<p>This snobbery in general surprises me. I had always revered Smith/Bryn Mawr/Wellesley/Vassar/etc. I thought that sense would be maintained for Barnard, but came here, and found that idea trounced. Ridiculous.</p>
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<p>well as you may expect columbia girls are, in general, not very fond of barnard girls since its more competition...to the tune of about 2000 more girls</p>
<p>Of course it is great to make friends both at Columbia and Barnard. I was just wondering about whether there is a sense of connection on the Columbia campus. Sounds like there is</p>
<p>Barnard is officially a seperate and independent (albeit connected) institution, but unofficially they are interlinked. I'd say Barnard takes part more in columbia events and activities than vice versa. Like barnard girls hang out on columbia's main campus more than columbia students hang out at barnard. Barnard students take more classes at columbia than columbia students take at barnard, it's not a criticism or anything, just an observation.</p>
<p>In terms of social life it isn't completely mixed up, columbia students have more columbia friends, and barnard students have more barnard friends (some don't). but there's no significant barrier to making friends and interacting with students across schools. I've seen columbia girls roll their eyes at barnard girls, but it happens very infrequently.</p>
<p>that effect is just a factor of there being a greater quantity of campus space, classes, or the like. I imagine that if you looked at the ratio of BC -> CU usage as compared with what's available at both BC and CU, it wouldn't be all that unbalanced.</p>
<p>To the original point, though, this just illustrates why any fears about there being a Columbia Girl - Barnard Girl "rivalry" is tremendously overblown. That doesn't mean it's nonexistent, just very very minor.</p>
<p>...and that is all I'll say on the matter, given the potential for these discussions to become nuclear warfare.</p>
<p>so if i find that owl do i get to marry a barnard girl or just a columbia girl?</p>
<p>As a girl hoping to go to Columbia, I love the idea of Barnard being nearby. But I believe that collegebound5 was more concerned with the nature of the female community at Columbia than the prospects of interacting with Barnard students.</p>
<p>I might be wrong, but as a parent who has just visited and had the opportunity to attend a lecture at Columbia & a seminar at Barnard... I think that when it comes down to it, there is no way to tell the difference between a Barnard student and a female Columbia student (unless you ask). So there would be no particular reason why that would factor into social issues -- though obviously you are more likely to meet people who are living in the same dorm and attending the same classes, which is probably the main reason students tend to make friends and socialize with others from their same school. But other than that, I'm not sure why anyone would care. </p>
<p>I would note that the Nexus construction has had the short-term impact of pushing Barnard students onto the Columbia campus more for various activities. Presumably that situation will change once the Nexus is completed.</p>
<p>...yes, then zey vill take ovah ze vorld!</p>
<p>Also, there is definitely such a thing on campus as "Barn-dar". I can probably predict BC / CU with 70% accuracy after a minute's chat; some people i know are probably like 90%.</p>
<p>^Barn-dar does exist, just like gs-dar, seas-dar, or even cc-dar. schools and the sort of education influences character even outwardly. None of this is meant in a negative light.</p>
<p>Denzera, random chance would give you 50% accuracy - so 70% accuracy for "Barn-dar" isn't all that impressive, especially given the type of information that would be revealed in chatting a minute. However, I would guess that the core would give Columbia students a common frame of reference that might tend to reveal itself in a variety of ways in conversation.</p>
<p>^that's not exactly right, because columbia has about 700 undergrad looking girls each year, and there are young grad&gs students and other random girls on campus, making random chance more like 30%, 70% isn't all that bad.</p>
<p>"However, I would guess that the core would give Columbia students a common frame of reference that might tend to reveal itself in a variety of ways in conversation"</p>
<p>I think you underestimate in how many ways the college you go to shapes who you are.</p>
<p>I also pulled those numbers out of my nether regions. 70% would mean i'm slightly more than twice as likely to be correct as incorrect - which I would think is well above the distribution for randomness.</p>
<p>This wasn't meant to be a statement of a scientific study. I'm just saying - as confidentialcoll is - that the schools have definite identities, with definite qualities of personality that tend to be shared between those who choose to attend there.</p>
<p>an equal amount of students take classes at barnard coming from columbia as they do at columbia coming from barnard. fact.</p>
<p>this is the second post where you have used the word 'fact'.....i'll leave it at that so i dont get reported as being 'hostile' or insulting to someone on the board.</p>
<p>Kate, I actually think that more students from Barnard take classes at Columbia, just probably for the simple fact that Columbia is larger and has more to offer in terms of classes.</p>
<p>From the Barnard website :
"Cross-registration flows across Broadway in both directions, allowing Barnard and Columbia students to take classes on either campus. In a typical year, there are 6,900 Barnard student course registrations at Columbia, and 6,300 Columbia student course registrations at Barnard. "</p>
<p>The difference in the amounts isn't that huge, but it isn't exactly the same either.</p>
<p>Actually, I have a Barnard's databook on my computer. Currently, there are slightly more Barnard -> Columbia cross-registrations. However, there were several years when there were more Columbia cross-registrations at Barnard. (If anyone is interested, by the way, PM me with your e-mail and I'll send you the databook). </p>
<p>Of course, since Barnard is a smaller school with a lower population... these statistics mean that a larger percentage of a Barnard student's coursework is taken at Columbia than a Columbia student's at Barnard.</p>
<p>"From the Barnard website :
"Cross-registration flows across Broadway in both directions, allowing Barnard and Columbia students to take classes on either campus. In a typical year, there are 6,900 Barnard student course registrations at Columbia, and 6,300 Columbia student course registrations at Barnard. "</p>
<p>columbia undergrad has 2.5 times the number of students so the statistic explains that barnard students cross register 3 times as much as columbia students do.</p>