<p>Between CC having the lowest admit rate in the nation, Fu having an unheard of increase in apps, and the increasing appeal of NYC, it seems that Columbia's finally on the verge of breaking into that Ivy Top 3. </p>
<p>Too bad, for some reason, USNews has always been such a struggle for Columbia (and the fact that people take it as the word of god).</p>
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<p>No it's not. Columbia still lacks HYP in name recognition and prestige recognition among the masses.</p>
<p>^ Fine fine, it won't break into the top 3...but it will get closer to it than it's ever been. And Yale seems like it's days of glory are ending...so 15 years from now...I wouldn't be surprised to not see it in that top 3.</p>
<p>^I would be shocked not to see Yale in the top 3. How are it's days of glory ending? Where are you getting this?</p>
<p>Just because more and more people apply to Columbia because of its location will not make it a top 3.</p>
<p>Hi All,</p>
<p>US News & World Report ranking is out.
SEAS is up to number 19th.
Harvard is down to 23rd.</p>
<p>Here is the entire Ivy League picture:</p>
<p>Cornell 10
Princeton 18
Columbia 19,20
Harvard 23-25
Penn 29
Yale 37-39
Dartmouth 47-49
Brown not in the top 50</p>
<p>Go, Go, Go</p>
<p>zvi</p>
<p>God i'm going to miss Zvi. He's hilarious.</p>
<p>Anyway, I hope that next year we can at least overtake Brown. They still are very strong on the political science / international relations -type stuff, and win a majority of "battles" for students admitted at both places.</p>
<p>And the Revealed Preference Rankings from 2004 put us very close to Princeton, too, in overall score when those battles are treated like chess rankings. Maybe we've gone up since then, maybe down, but it's a lot more likely we'll be on part with princeton and brown than it is we'll overtake harvard, yale, stanford, MIT or Caltech.</p>
<p>In what sense had Columbia not overtaken Brown long, long ago?</p>
<p>Hmm...no offense but I don't think Columbia will ever break into the top 3 ivies, at least not any time soon. I really hope it gets up to around #6 or so overall and overtakes Penn as it deserves to be the #4 ivy.</p>
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I really hope it gets up to around #6 or so overall and overtakes Penn as it deserves to be the #4 ivy.
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<p>I don't think anyone really believes Penn is the 4th best Ivy. Everyone knows they game the US News system to end up where they are. If Columbia isn't the 4th best Ivy, then Dartmouth or Brown probably have a better claim to #4 than Penn.</p>
<p>I agree. If I were to make the list, it'd be more like:</p>
<p>Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Columbia
Brown
Dartmouth
Penn
Cornell</p>
<p>The Revealed Preference Rankings, which are based on actual student decisions when offered a choice between comparable schools, are an excellent scientific measure of the strength of a school's actual pull. It's way more scientific than USNWR, which just throws a bunch of numbers at you to make you think it's objective. This has only one input - what actual students decide to do at the end of the day when they have to commit to one place or another.</p>
<p>Here's the top 20:</p>
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1 Harvard 2800
2 Yale 2738
3 Stanford 2694
4 Cal Tech 2632
5 MIT 2624
6 Princeton 2608
7 Brown 2433
8 Columbia 2392
9 Amherst 2363
10 Dartmouth 2357
11 Wellesley 2346
12 U Penn 2325
13 U Notre Dame 2279
14 Swarthmore 2270
15 Cornell 2236
16 Georgetown 2218
17 Rice 2214
18 Williams 2213
19 Duke 2209
20 U Virginia 2197
And here's the top 10 vs each other. To quote the paper, it represents the "Share of Draws in Which College in the Row is Ranked Higher than the College Various Places Below It".
College 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
Harvard 96 100 95 100 100 100 100 100 100
Yale 88 78 91 95 100 100 100 100
Stanfrd 58 62 76 100 100 100 100
CalTech 51 57 89 94 96 96
MIT 63 99 100 100 100
Prntn 96 99 99 99
Brown 80 87 90
Colum. 65 66
Amherst 50
Dartmouth
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<p>In short, the first column is the "win percentage" of that college against the one immediately below it. i.e., of the students who both got into harvard and yale, 96% of the students in the sample ranked harvard higher than yale in their personal lists.</p>
<p>Notre Dame wins over Cornell? </p>
<p>How large is the sample size in these rankings? Are they polling actual acceptees or trying to reveal preferences based on admissions statistics?</p>
<p>IMO it goes something like this:
Harvard
Yale
Pton
Columbia
Brown
Dartmouth/Penn
Cornell</p>
<p>I've never heard about Penn being the #4, it's either Columbia or Brown. We do have a much lower acceptance rate, though. From a european perspective, it seems as though more ppl know Columbia than Brown and the ones who do know Brown are usually hardcore The OC fans.</p>
<p>pearfire our lists are the same and actually are almost the same as the revealed preference ranking. IMO, I would attend Brown over Columbia, but that's personal preference. Evidently, others feel the same often.</p>
<p>Yes, they're almost the same. I couldn't really decide between Penn vs Dartmouth though, so they're on a par IMO. I think most Columbia-Brown cross admits will not make their decisions based on prestige but on what type of school they're looking for, so it's the end almost a purely personal decision. I'd only take one school over Columbia and that's Cambridge and not because of academics but solely because I love the city and the ancient buildings.</p>
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How large is the sample size in these rankings? Are they polling actual acceptees or trying to reveal preferences based on admissions statistics?
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I believe it was a sample of 3,240 students at highly competitive high schools or otherwise high scorers who clearly would have options among the competitive-admissions part of the college spectrum. The samples were scattered around the country.</p>
<p>I can PM you the paper if you're interested in reading it. They control for like a million variables, it's really brilliant stuff.</p>
<p>Denzera, I'd appreciate this paper as well. Thanks in advance!</p>
<p>well, columbias my #1 :)</p>
<p>Yeah, please send the paper my way. Thanks!</p>