Commencement speaker slams graduating seniors

<p>I remember the Schultz thing and war criminal was part of the conversation. One difference perhaps is that Schultz was Princeton’42. Princetonians in general have tremendous loyalty to the school (of non-LACs, it has the highest percentage of alumni who give each year, for example). Perhaps he felt he couldn’t turn down being honored by his alma mater and wasn’t going to let some bunch of kids stop him from coming.</p>

<p>I don’t think the letter to Birgeneau was harsh. I thought it was juvenile. It was sort of like, “We’re sending you to detention to think about what you did wrong. When you are sufficiently contrite, write out your apology to us and what you’ve learned and how you will apply it in the future.” Seriously. I would be embarrassed if people from my institution sent that letter.</p>

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<p>Possible, I suppose, but I would again reiterate that he was not being invited to participate in a dialog or a discussion of any kind (except by the protesters, but they had no official standing at Haverford, and Birgeneau could have easily ignored them, as Bowen did the many students who would have challenged him on his remarks if any forum were available for such a dialog). Birgeneau was invited to receive an honorary degree in recognition of his years of service and accomplishments in the field of higher education, and in so doing to give a 5-minute acceptance speech. I very much doubt he would have used that occasion to draw attention to the most controversial part of his tenure as UC Berkeley chancellor, the police violence against student protesters that occurred on his watch, allegedly in response to his order to remove the protesters. Nor was the occasion one where students would have an opportunity to raise questions. So if he didn’t want to talk about the Berkeley controversy, he didn’t need to do so, and no one else would have been in a position to raise it except by way of protest, which likely would have generated much less attention at that point. It was only the “man bites dog” quality of Bowen’s remarks–commencement speaker attacks students–that drew media attention. If Bowen thought he was doing Birgeneau some kind of favor by launching into his diatribe, it probably had the opposite effect, because it made many more people aware of the Berkeley controversy, which Birgeneau probably just wishes would go away.</p>

<p>It occurs to me there may be other reasons for his deciding not to attend. Birgeneau is named as a defendent in a pending federal lawsuit brought by some of the Berkeley protesters against the university and certain key officers, including the then-chancellor, alleging they are responsible for excessive use of force, false arrests, and denial of the protesters’ First Amendment free speech rights. Birgeneau and the other officers sought dismissal of the suit as it applied to them, but the judge ruled that it could proceed to discovery. It’s very likely Birgeneau’s lawyers and the university’s lawyers are advising him not to say anything publicly about the matter while that litigation is ongoing. That, of course,would make it impossible for him to do some of the things the Haverford protesters asked him to do in their letter. I wouldn’t expect him to do these things in response to such a letter anyway–although he has already publicly apologized and acknowledged that the police use of force was excessive, so in light of that, the so-called “demands” in the letter just don’t seem that extreme to me, absent the factor of pending litigation. What seems more plausible to me, then, is that the letter from the Haverford protesters simply signaled to Birgeneau that some people at Haverford would be calling attention to the events at Berkeley if he chose to receive the honorary degree, and this might put him in a position where some enterprising reporter might try to ambush him and ask him about the underlying controversy. Easier to avoid such questions by simply declining the invitation. But if that’s the case, then it’s not at all clear that the tone of the Haverford letter had anything to do with Birgeneau’s decision; even a much more mildly worded letter might well have triggered the same reaction.</p>

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<p>Well, I see your point in a way, but again, I think you need to understand the context. This comes pretty much straight out of the Haverford Honor Code and its process for conflict resolution (which again has its origins in Quaker traditions). In resolving a dispute between students, or between a faculty member and a student (including serious charges like academic misconduct), the first step is “confrontation.” According to the Honor Code, “Confrontation, in the Haverford sense, refers to initiating a dialogue with another community member about a potential violation of the Honor Code with the goal of reaching a common understanding by means of respectful communication. Regardless of the scale of the issue, confrontation should ideally take the form of a constructive, face-to-face discussion. It should be understood that achieving a common understanding does not necessarily mean reaching agreement.” The parties try to talk it through and reach a common understanding that resolves the dispute to the satisfaction of both parties, and if they are unable to do so, the confronted party is supposed to self-report the matter to the Honor Council for mediation and, if necessary, disciplinary action. If the confronted party fails to self-report, the confronting party may report the matter to the Honor Council.</p>

<p>The letter from the Haverford protesters was their attempt at “confrontation” in the Haverford sense; it was meant to trigger a response that would lead to genuine dialog. It was not intended as a list of non-negotiable “demands,” which is why it never describes anything as a “demand” or uses words like “we demand.” Instead, it “urges” and “requests” some specific, concrete actions, but almost certainly with the expectation that all this is negotiable, and that a common understanding (though perhaps not complete agreement) is achievable. If not, the protestors say they will take the matter to a higher authority, here whatever committee was responsible for inviting honorary degree recipients, acting more or less in an analogous capacity to the Honor Council in intra-college disputes, requesting a sanction in the form of rescinding the invitation.</p>

<p>Their attempt to apply this process outside the four walls of Haverford College does seem a little silly, and I would fault the Haverford protesters for naively thinking the rest of the world resolves disputes the way 'Fords do, or even understands the Haverford process; and also for not recognizing that their “confrontation” letter could easily be misconstrued. As indeed it was, by Bill Bowen, probably by Bob Birgeneau, and by virtually every news story and editorial commentary I have seen written on the Birgeneau affair. </p>

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<p>If it wasn’t directed at the entire school, why were the comments made during graduation? I would think there would be a more appropriate time to make them.</p>

<p>@bclintonk‌, that is helpful. I did see the word urge but didn’t pay attention to it and it is clear that these came across to the rest of the world as demands. If there was a good way to do this knowing it could get press coverage, they should have had a preamble paragraph about Haverford’s process followed by their requests. Not sure that would have worked, but it stands a better chance than what they did. Now, I’m not sure anything would work as it will all be played through the lens of what happened this year.</p>

<p>BclintonK, inasmuch as we have different opinions and interpretations, I thank you for adding the perspective of someone who knows Haverford and its code. Of course, my own perspective is clouded by a tangible disdain for civil disobedience and especially when exhibited by srudents in support of moronic movements such the ones we witnessed in the OWS debacles. And, I assume that people who have a romantic and perhaps nostalgic inclination to view the types of disturbances on campus as peaceful exhibits of freedom of speech might have opposited biases. It is simply human nature to make distinctions that follow political and social leanings. </p>

<p>But again, while I might not agree with your conclusions, I have to respect the efforts to make outsiders understand why you viewed the intervention by Bowen inappropriate at the graduation celebration. </p>

<p>And, allow me to add my heartfelt congratulations to your daughter. Graduating from Haverford is quite an accomplishment! </p>

<p>People are so ready to label kids “snowflakes”, “clueless”, “rude”. A little more understanding of the legacy of the Quaker schools would be “too hard” for the critics, I suppose. Much more fun to do the old “kids these days” thing. </p>

<p>Bclintock–an eloquent and thoughtful discussion of what happened. Thanks for your postings. I suppport your daughter and her classmates, kudos to her for her accomplishment.</p>

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<p>Perhaps critics find it hard to reconcile respect for the ideas of everyone and open mind with the way Birgeneau was treated. After all, is he not one of the members of the educational community who deserves respect? </p>

<p>Charité bien ordonnée commence par soi-même! Oops, that is probably too Catholic a quotation. </p>

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<p>Oh, please, It’s neither “ageist” nor “racist” to call Bowen a “grumpy old white guy.” Heck, I’m an old white guy. I try not be be a grumpy one, but sometimes I can’t help myself. And it’s quite apparent to me that a heck of a lot of white males my age or older have a pretty sour outlook on the world. They’re accustomed to decades of white male privilege, and they feel it slipping away from them. That’s very threatening to many of them.</p>

<p>Bowen is indeed a “distinguished person,” but that doesn’t mean he’s always right or that we need to kowtow to him. Nor should thinking, engaged 22-year-olds think they need to kowtow to him. They have every right to criticize and to challenge what they think not to be right.</p>

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<p>Fluffy, I don’t understand why you are so quick to demean and ridicule these kids. They’re smart, talented, incredibly hard-working, thoughtful, self-aware, and richly informed young people, and they have strong and deeply felt values, which is why they chose Haverford in the first place. They care passionately about the world and about making a difference in it. They care about social justice. They care about the Quaker values that continue to define Haverford, whether they are Quakers or not. They are not “coddled” and they are not “snowflakes.” The academic course of study at Haverford is rigorous and demanding, but Haverford also demands more of them: it demands that they live together as persons of integrity and as responsible members of a self-governing campus community, and that they be involved in every aspect of institutional self-governance. In that sense it demands far more than most campuses where administrators make and enforce all the rules. Haverford also challenges them to seek social justice and to live lives of integrity and purpose, and in one way or another, most do. </p>

<p>I am, of course, incredibly proud of my daughter, not only for her many academic accomplishments but because she is just a good person with good values, She is a person of integrity and character. She will make her mark on the world and leave it a better place, and she is already doing so. And she does it with a grace, elegance, and self-confidence that I could only have dreamed of at her age. I can’t credit all that to Haverford. It starts at home, of course, but it would be both ungracious and dishonest of her mother and me to claim too much of the credit; at the end of the day, she needed to figure out for herself who she wanted to be as a person. But Haverford most definitely played a role as well. It reinforced her values and gave her opportunities to exercise them, and to grow not only as a student but as a person. For that I am grateful. And I am equally impressed with her friends and classmates. They are young people we should celebrate and be proud of, not ridicule and demean, even if we may disagree with them on this point or that. They are entitled to our respect, because they have earned it. And we would all be better off if more colleges produced more young people of such integrity, character, commitment, and passion. </p>

<p>"Their attempt to apply this process outside the four walls of Haverford College does seem a little silly, and I would fault the Haverford protesters for naively thinking the rest of the world resolves disputes the way ‘Fords do, or even understands the Haverford process; and also for not recognizing that their “confrontation” letter could easily be misconstrued. As indeed it was, by Bill Bowen, probably by Bob Birgeneau, and by virtually every news story and editorial commentary I have seen written on the Birgeneau affair.’</p>

<p>This. But, I’m not sure I would use the word silly. Maybe this is where people get naïve, arrogant, and juvenile. Also isn’t college supposed to prepare you for the “rest of the world”. All of this “our way” stuff is a little confusing.</p>

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<p>I showed this to my youngest DS, and he cracked up (and he is not even in college yet). Why? He said, "If the commencement speaker were black and said the exact same speech and the person / students had said ‘Old, grumpy black guy,’ it definitely would have been considered ageist and racist, plus mandatory re-education camp would also be in order. </p>

<p>My DS does find it interesting the school of people who buy into the one-way use of words. ‘Old grumpy white guy’ to a white guy is OK, but a similar stature black person, such as Bill Cosby, cannot be called an ‘old, grumpy black guy,’ which he certainly can be considered. In fact, the word grumpy would be extrapolated that Cosby was being accused of having dementia. </p>

<p>This is really a disservice to teaching our kids consistency and treating people equally. We cannot talk about equality in general, tell students to have tolerance and to treat people equally and then turn around and demand words and reactions must be different towards different races for the exact same behavior, same words spoken and same actions. This is not equality; it is teaching racially, segregated reactions, which in itself is racist - a definite step in the wrong direction.</p>

<p>One thing you might want to consider - just because you choose to identify yourself, as an old grumpy white guy and do not not mind being called as much does not give you the power to tar and label other white men, as old, grumpy white guys. You are trying to exercise a power you do not possess because other old white guys, most likely, do not consider themselves grumpy nor do they consider their race when giving advice to the younger generation. I can tell you none of the white guys I know ever had such a viewpoint of themselves that you so casually ascribe to yourself. And to assume old white guys are the same is the same tar and feather rational some people use to say black people are lazy - none one of these assumptions is cool or warranted or even supported.</p>

<p>Outside of the above, your take on the event, while I disagree, is well-presented and is understandable given your view of the situation.</p>

<p>I think there are a few dimensions to this that we can all deal with without resorting to name-calling, whether of the students or Bowen or Birgenau.</p>

<p>@BClintonk says we should look at the context. One part of the context is Haverford. There, the students learned a particular way of dealing with differences of opinion that works for them at Haverford. Everyone apparently buys in and deals with conflicts of a certain sort that way. It was perhaps understandable but certainly naive to assume that the rest of the world behaves that way. And, @Flossy‌, I’d say that one of the big complaints about college and especially about LACs is that they don’t prepare people for the rest of the world and don’t see it as their mission. So, they learned an approach in one context and applied it in another. I doubt the school did anything to prepare them for life outside the Haverford bubble. </p>

<p>The other part of the context is what is happening elsewhere (e.g., Christine Lagarde at Smith and Condi Rice at Rutgers) that the Haverfordians should also not miss. At those schools, students were planning to embarrass the speaker and school in an attempt to get the school to withdraw the invitation or the speaker to withdraw. Last year, just down the road, Robert Zoellick chose not to accept an invitation to get an honorary degree from his alma mater, Swarthmore. </p>

<p>In that latter context, which is much better publicized than the Haverford approach to potential Honor Code violations, it is not surprising that Birgeneau, Bowen, the press, the rest of the world assumed that the Haverford students were trying to do the same thing (and did not differentiate between “urge” and “demand”). In that light, the nine “urges” do seem quite juvenile and naive (although clearly well-intentioned).</p>

<p>Birgenau is a serious and distinguished guy. He’s run two institutions into which Haverford would be a tiny little drop. These are major research institutions whose annual research output would likely exceed that of Haverford’s in its entire history. If I were he, I would not have been able to read that letter without finding it offensive and juvenile. I would have said, “It’s nice to be honored, but it’s no longer an honor when doing so will subject me to insults from a bunch of ill-informed 22 year olds. I don’t need this. See you.” Nothing cowardly about that – why does he have to justify himself to a bunch of seemingly juvenile college students? The cost-benefit calculus for him seems like a no-brainer. </p>

<p>It is also worth noting that I speaking as Shawbridge have been involved in lots of things that hit the newspapers. I have never been on the inside of a situation that was reported correctly in the newspapers. So, I am a bit circumspect about what I know if it is from the newspapers. Birgeneau knows that the students are unlikely to understand the actual situation and may have good reasons (legal, institutional, personal) not to go into any detail that is not already in the public domain.</p>

<p>From Bowen’s point of view, he sees this as one more playing out of the same game that Smith, Rutgers, Swarthmore and other students have played. Insult people whose politics we disagree with so they will choose not to come. As an aside, at Smith, I would have thought they would really want to honor such a distinguished woman – serious corporate lawyer, politician, and the first woman to run the IMF. Would the students have preferred it if she had turned down the job and left it to a man who was less ideologically pure?] Why shouldn’t the former professor and university president use this as a teaching moment so that the offensiveness of what he thought was happening (albeit, we have learned a somewhat different interpretation from @bclintonk.)</p>

<p>There would actually have been a way to do it, which would be to explain the Quaker/Haverford way of doing things first, then say they have a problem with what has been alleged about what happened at Berkeley under Birgenau’s watch. In that context, they would like to explore with him in the Q/H way and its explicitly non-violent values, what happened so they could both be comfortable that he is the right kind of candidate to receive an honorary degree from Haverford and that Haverford is the kind of place from which he’d like to receive an honorary degree. … . Invite him to come early to meet with students to discuss the situation. But, the invitation should be made with the judgment that he must apologize to start the conversation or tell them with contrition how he will change his behavior in the future. With the explanation, it would have been considerably less offensive.</p>

<p>Finally, if Haverford does want to teach students about how to reduce conflict or violence outside of the bubble, it needs to teach them that the best way to engage people in a conversation is to not start by seeming to act as judge, jury and executioner. (@bclintonk, I hear you that this was not what, in Haverford’s context, they thought they were doing, but no one else could understand that, when that is precisely what the folks at Smith et al. were doing). A better approach would be to start with concerns and an invitation to discuss them, not with an apparent conclusion and acts needed to mollify them.</p>

<p>@shawbridge Beautifully written post above. One of the best I have read covering the entire scope of a situation.</p>

<p>Please allow me to quibble, very slightly, on the edge in one place:</p>

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<p>Given that you accurately state newspaper reported events are rarely reported correctly, I do think it would be judgmental to think he should apologize or even show contrition, especially if there are elements of which we are not aware. An apology / contrition indicates he did something wrong, and if Birgenau believed he did nothing wrong, i.e., maybe he believes he did everything correctly, an apology is not in order and should not be given just to satisfy a group who thinks differently. He should only apologize if he does believe his actions were in error.</p>

<p>Again, thanks for the post.</p>

<p>"There, the students learned a particular way of dealing with differences of opinion that works for them at Haverford. Everyone apparently buys in and deals with conflicts of a certain sort that way.</p>

<p>I think people understand that idea. It is the implementation that is being discussed. </p>

<p>To paraphrase the letter,
Here is what you need to do:

  • admit your guilt in the actions of the police
  • apologize
  • agree to actions you must take for reparations
  • write a letter about what you learned
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<p>(Okay, I threw that parenthetical comment in.)</p>

<p>If you don’t,
“we will have no other option except to call for the college to withdraw it’s invitation”</p>

<p>I sincerely hope that that approach is not how haverford students are taught to deal with differences of opinion and conflict. </p>

<p>The question underlying the issue is whether we’ve reached a point at which people are unable to distinguish “I think that action/philosophy is wrong” from “I think that action/philosophy is totally beyond the pale to the point where this person should be barred from honors, excluded from positions of authority, and removed from the realm of accepted discourse.”</p>

<p>I’m a little hesitant of blanket condemnations of students protesting speakers because in theory, I think there are plenty of things one could do or beliefs one could espouse that would be so offensive that, even in the face of other accomplishments, it would be appropriate to protest a decision to honor them or give them a platform. The problem for me is that the definition of “beyond the pale” seems to have expanded to include “things with which I disagree.” One thing I would like to as some of these students is to think in all honesty about whether they would have been able to support the presence of ANY speaker that they had serious disagreement with on almost any non-trivial issue. </p>

<p>Birgenau has a long record that includes support for a number of worthy causes. In the single incident that Haverford students apparently think should define him, he did not order the execution of all student protesters, he didn’t himself commit acts of brutality, he didn’t say that no one should ever have the right to protest, assemble, etc; his awful crime, from what I can gather, is being a little generous in his description of what constituted “disruptive” behavior on the part of protesters,holding to the opinion that such disruption was a matter that warranted police intervention, and being insufficiently willing to condemn what seems to have been an excessive police response (he did, by the way, release a statement saying that he did not condone excessive use of force, and gave amnesty to all students involved in the protest). Had I been at Berkeley in late 2011, I would have been critical of Birgenau’s response, especially his initial statement that claimed that linking hands in a human chain was not “non-violent protest.” But I find it very hard to see anything he did as behavior that makes him an unfit candidate to deliver a graduation address and receive the customary honorary degree, and acting as if it is sets a dangerous precedent. </p>

<p>bclintock wrote:
According to the Honor Code, “Confrontation, in the Haverford sense, refers to initiating a dialogue with another community member about a potential violation of the Honor Code with the goal of reaching a common understanding by means of respectful communication. Regardless of the scale of the issue, confrontation should ideally take the form of a constructive, face-to-face discussion. It should be understood that achieving a common understanding does not necessarily mean reaching agreement.” The parties try to talk it through and reach a common understanding that resolves the dispute to the satisfaction of both parties</p>

<p>I am all for honoring Haverford’s Quaker roots, however in no sense did the letter the students sent reach the standards as outlined in the Honor Code. After being called out for poor behavior, you can’t hide behind the Honor Code if you haven’t fulfilled your end of the obligation. They did not initiate a dialogue with respectful communication, attempting to reach a “common understanding.” The students assumed they were right and Birgeneau was wrong and requested capitulation.</p>

<p>@awcntdb, good catch. No quibble. Sorry for the typo, which clearly changed my meaning. What’s missing is a “not” that, when inserted, should read: </p>

<p>But, the invitation should NOT be made with the judgment that he must apologize to start the conversation or tell them with contrition how he will change his behavior in the future.</p>

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<p>Exactly. Well stated.</p>

<p>A friend of mine is gay and he does not mind being called ***** or even ******* or even ******** and even refers to himself and friends like that.</p>

<p>But that does not mean that ***** and ******* and ******** are appropriate terms.</p>

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<p>Your post was well stated.</p>

<p>The quote above however maybe missing something. Yes, the letter does say “urge”, but after the list of “urges” - including admitting guilt and reparations, they said something to the effect of “we will have no other option except to call for the college to withdraw its invitation”</p>

<p>That is just nonsense.</p>

<p>First off, no other options? Really?? Like how about sitting down with the guy and getting his viewpoint about why he is not willing to do all that they urged? Ya, know, like a conversation. Don’t they teach that in Haverford? Getting other people’s viewpoints?</p>

<p>Secondly, I don’t know what their plan was with their threat to call for the college to withdraw. What if they didn’t? Is this a BAMN type action or just some pouty kids writing a strongly worded letter? </p>