<p>impalanut, congratulations on the acceptance to UArts. If you go to the UArts page there is a lot posted by current students and their parents.</p>
<p>Congrats on the acceptance to UArts impalanut. The folks at U of Miami said they would be notifying students in mid-March. Said that after all of the auditions were completed, they would then set out to rank the students and make their decisions accordingly. Their acceptance numbers are VERY low, even compared to very low of every other last MT BFA program. Yes, I look forward to a good night's sleep at some point too (and I'm a parent).</p>
<p>My nephew graduated from UArts with BFA 3d animation. We saw his graduation and it was great. Really looking forward to learning more about MT.</p>
<p>This is my first post. My son has just completed his 7th audition. So far, 2 rejections. I am having a very hard time staying hopeful. I could really use some encouragement from other parents out there experiencing the same thing. He may do one more audition but basically, we now have to sit back and wait. My main concern is that he is not accepted into any of the MT programs. The rejections have been devastating. He has actually handled it better than I have. Any encouragement would be so appreciated!</p>
<p>HopefulMTMom, for one, keep the faith and find comfort in that there are so many people on this forum who are waiting to hear good news. It is incredibly tough to receive those rejection letters, unfortunately it is part of that very same life our kids are pursuing. It is also true that they handle it so much better than us. It is so true that whatever is meant to be, will happen, just leave it up to fate at this point. Hang in there. April is around the corner. </p>
<p>Someone, who is also still waiting for good news, said it so well (I am not sure if it was on this particular thread), her D loves MT and no matter what the outcome of this crazy process is, she will continue to pursue it.</p>
<p>So even if you look at things from a worse case scenario perspective, our kids will always have the arts to fall back on, classes to take, shows to try out for, no matter what they wind up studying in college. </p>
<p>Keeping fingers and toes crossed for your son, and sending you tons of positive thoughts :)!</p>
<p>HopefulMTMom, your son (and you) have done everything that needed to be done. That was the actual hard part. Now it's time to sit back and just try to take a breath. There's nothing more to be done. Don't keep score of the rejections, most students who are accepted to programs get more rejections than acceptances. All he needs is 1 acceptance.</p>
<p>MTDAD777 notes that he thinks that there is a 2% acceptance rate for Cincinnati for Musical Theater.</p>
<p>Response: I can't say whether this is true,but most good musical theater and music programs have a very low acceptance rate. I do know that Carnegie Mellon accepts much less than 10% of their applicants. Juliard has a less than 6% acceptance rate overall. It just seems to be true for top notch music and theater programs. Cincinnati is particularly tough to get into because it not only is one of the best in the country but is one of the least expensive net of their scholarships,which many kids get.</p>
<p>However, with that said, if a kid has a lot of talent, they will find their niche.</p>
<p>HopefulMTMom,
As others have said, it is rough, but you should continue to think positive and have faith in your son as he apparently is doing. One thing you can take comfort in is that he has most likely learned a lot throughout the audition process, maybe even improved some of his skills, and seen just a bit of the "larger world of competition." A couple years ago, our son auditioned at 5 schools, 1 a Bachelor of Music , I believe, the other 4 BFA's for MT while also applying to 1 non audition school. His very first letter was a rejection from the BM program. Although he was not completely surprised, he was certainly very disappointed. He also had two more auditions to go. The remaining 4 BFA's wound up all being acceptances as well as the Non audition school. He didn't receive the final notice until April. He realizes that he was very fortunate. It was a tough waiting period, but helped him get a perspective on what he really wanted in his career/education.</p>
<p>Our son has now had the benefit of working with very talented performers for 2 years, seen some grow, some stay the same, some leave or change course for various reasons. One thing that remains true is that there is no "one" path to most of these goals. This board will show many stories of acceptances and rejections. Those with the rejections have surmounted many obstacles, some changed course, some reauditioned, some amended their schooling options, some taking advantage of additional training, etc.</p>
<p>Now will be, and appears to be, the time when your son can gain perspective on his goals, know that he's done his part, and carry on. It's difficult when this part is out of your hands, but just try to keep the faith. Hope this doesn't sound preachy, but it worked for us. Wishing you well.</p>
<p>Taxguy - lets do the math......
650 girls - 12 spots 12/650 = 1.84 percent acceptance
172 boys - 12 spots 12/172 = 6.97 percent acceptance
822 total - 24 spots 24/822 = 2.9 percent acceptance</p>
<p>My girl/ boy numbers are estimations so is the 12-12. the 822 auditions 24 spots and 6 wait list was what I heard from the chair at unifieds.</p>
<p>It also appears that they have some rolling admissions as there are acceptances posted while auditions at the school are remaining making your chance of getting in bleak at best with a late audition.</p>
<p>Regarding the cost - if you are out of state it is around 34K, not cheap. The chair also mentioned since it was a public institution that there was limited scholarship money. Now if you live in Ohio it is reasonable at around 18K because it is a public university. On the other hand, since it is a public school the not so wealthy kids have an opportunity that they don't have at a private more expensive school, making the competition even fiercer.</p>
<p>MTdad777,</p>
<p>I think when tax guy said one of the least expensive in terms of MT he wasn't necessarily saying cheap. But compared to NYU, CMU, UMich, and many others, CCM is definitely less expensive. They also do give some Cincinnatus Scholarships and talent awards as well which help even more.</p>
<p>Hopeful - </p>
<p>My daughter has also been stressed waiting. Thankfully this past weekend she realized what has been posted here many times. And what MTgrls said. She had been approaching it as if getting into a BFA was everything - if she didn't get in a BFA the dream was lost and it was all over. She sees now that just isn't true. It's only over when she says it's over. You can go through cast lists of Broadway and touring shows - lots of actors got BAs not BFAs or went other routes. And as has been posted here many times there may even be advantages for going the BA route rather than the BFA route. With this new attitude I see this tremendous peace and happiness in her. All that anxiety over the phone ringing, emails, and checking the mailbox is gone. She's still looking forward to finding out how it will unfold between now and April but it's without that horrid fear and dread that whatever happens means the end of her passion.</p>
<p>MomOfAPrincess, it's wonderful news that your D has found some (as corny as it sounds!) inner peace and calm about this process. The fact that she has been able to overcome that fear and dread (and wow! are those strong emotions, as we all know) is a triumph in and of itself. I feel sure good things are coming her way.</p>
<p>Perhaps it is me, but I have difficulty understanding the preoccupation with "doom and gloom". There is almost a "morbidity" reflected about the "chances" of getting into a particular school. Hell, if that's the mindset, why even bother pursuing the dream of performing. Rejections in this field only start at the college application level. The ratio of failed auditions to successful ones will be a lopsided experience for most entering this field for many years after graduation if not for their entire performing career.</p>
<p>The answer, of course, is that our kids do this because of the love and passion they have for performing, because they can't see themselves doing anything else in their lives in the foreseeable future. It is a dream that should be nurtured, not dashed on the rocks of cynicism. There are plenty of others out there who will clip our kids' wings, from college audition committees to agents to casting directors. We parents should be the place our kids can come to have their dreams nourished, to recharge their batteries in a safe harbor, to find understanding of their disappointments and support for moving ahead despite the "odds".</p>
<p>And the reality is that at the college admissions level of this path, the "odds" are not as bad as the bald "statistics" of admission at one particular school make it seem. The overlap of students auditioning across a group of schools is significant. The ratio of the number of seats available to the number of different kids auditioning is much better than the odds of acceptance to a particular school. There have been a couple of posts that have run through the math for those that are preoccupied with "statistics". And reality bears out the math. My daughter applied to 5 audition based BFA programs. She is presently at a BFA program with a freshman class of 12 girls. 2 of the other girls auditioned at 3 of the same schools she did on the same day she did. So we know for a fact that at least 25% of the female freshman class at my daughter's school auditioned at some of the same schools. Someone else is sitting in the seats at the other schools that either rejected them or that they declined. And that's only one audition day out of many. The total amount of overlapping auditions between the 5 schools my daughter applied to across all of their audition days I bet is quite significant. Think about your own kids' experiences as they went from audition to audition and saw familiar faces.</p>
<p>I've said it before but it bears reiteration,the reality is that if you put together a diversified list of schools, including a non-audition school that is a good academic match, the odds are pretty good that your kid will be accepted to a school on the list. It may not be the their first choice school but it will be a good one at which your kid will have a gratifying existence. (Otherwise, it wouldn't have been on your list to begin with, right?)</p>
<p>Michael, you are so right, about all you said. But it begins with that all-important list, doesn't it?</p>
<p>Anyone familiar with Dr. Seuss' "Oh,the Places You'll Go"
My D. calls this time "The Waiting Place......
...for people just waiting.
Waiting for a train to go
or a bus to come, or a plane to go
or the mail to come, or the rain to go
or the phone to ring, or the snow to snow
or waiting around for a YES or NO.
or waiting for their hair to grow.
Everyone is just waiting."</p>
<p>Good luck to all of you.</p>
<p>It has been so hard watching my D get her rejection letters - CCM, UA and OCU. </p>
<p>OCU's letter was particularly snotty. While UA and CCM said something to the effect that "we have decided not to offer a position at this time" and went on to say that their school was very selective and had a tremendous amount of talented kids try out, far more than they can accept...</p>
<p>OCU posted that "Your audition did not demostrate the necessary level of ability to be in our program" Ouch! These kids are human beings. They know what a rejection letter means, no need to rub salt in!</p>
<p>My D has been accepted to College of Santa Fe and is now turning her attention there, while awaiting two more notices. She also has several good academic acceptances and a good scholarship for academics and MT at a non-audition school.</p>
<p>This thread is so good and I may have my D look at it as at times she has felt like a failure.</p>
<p>Best of luck to all on here who are still awaiting the good word.</p>
<p>^^^^^^^^
AngieA</p>
<p>Amen!</p>
<p>NODad We had a girl from our high school go to College of Santa Fe for Musical Theater. She was very well respected in community theater here and competed with some of the best vocal majors at UGA. She had a fabulous voice, interesting girl and wanted to get out of the South. Pretty sure she is still there. My S who is a college student in Asheville has looked at that school also. It is a wonderful college and a great program. My D is acting and did not audition for them but it wasn't because of lack of our encouragement. We are still waiting and your D should be proud that she is in a program and has options for academic also. Santa Fe is such a wonderful place. She should be congratulated...she can go to one of the coolest artsy cities. And the air feels so good there, OH MY!!</p>
<p>NODad, I have to admit that I am taken back by the wording of the denial letter from OCU. It is common knowledge that at highly selective schools with low admit rates......be it BFA in MT programs or elite regular colleges such as the Ivy League, that there are MORE qualified students than those they can accept. In other words, if Yale is accepting 9% of applicants, there are more than 9% who are qualified and they would claim that they could fill the class twice at least and have just as competitive a class with the second group. They are forced to deny some students who "make the grade" to get in. Same with competitive BFA programs. Not everyone who is denied met the standard, but certainly more met the standard than those they could accept. And the proof is that someone who gets into CCM, but not OCU or someone who gets in UMich but not Penn State, or someone who gets into NYU but not Emerson, or someone who gets in CMU but not Otterbein, or someone who gets in CCM but not Syracuse (all examples I know in real life) were obviously qualified but the odds are that they could not be accepted at every program given the very low admit rates. Therefore, while some who are not accepted to a college or program with a VERY low admit rate, likely were not qualified or did not meet the standard of admission (either artistically or academically or both), there are certainly some students who are denied at some very selective programs but are accepted elsewhere of comparable or even higher "rating" that the program simply cannot accommodate (not to mention that they must balance the class by gender and type). So, for a highly selective program to state that the reason for the denial was because the student is not at the acceptable level of ability just is not the case for many who are denied at such programs and I am very surprised to read of how that letter was worded, to be frank. That is highly unusual for a school to explain it in that way, and it really is not entirely the truth because there ARE more who are talented enough to be admitted than they can possibly accept. Let's say they accept 30 (I don't know their numbers).....there is no way that the truth is that the next five in line don't also have what it takes. It is true that not all who apply have it, but I can't understand wording the rejection letter in this way as that simply is not a fair representation of reality, let alone just is not well, a nice way to even explain it. When I see someone, for example, who gets into UMich but is denied at Penn State, I don't then proclaim that the student wasn't talented enough for Penn State. The student had many BFA acceptances but the odds are that not every program can take them, no matter how talent or qualified. It is just not realistically possible. Anyway, that's how I see it.</p>
<p>NODad. Honestly, maybe I live in a little bubble but I'm appalled that any school would choose to word a rejection letter like that. I mean really, is it at all necessary to beat a kid down during this process? I don't know anything about OCU, I am sorry for your daughter that she had to receive something written as poorly as that. Best of luck to her!</p>