Community at U of C

<p>Hi, everyone! I'm brand-new to this forum--well, I've been lurking for a little while--and I was finally prompted to join in order to get some insight as May 1st gets closer and closer. I was accepted to Chicago EA, but was only recently able to visit. I did so really hoping to like U of C, as it's been hovering among my top choices for some time. Even though the campus is gorgeous and the people were very friendly, it seemed to me that the school was really lacking in some sense of community.
Now, I get that this isn't your typical rah-rah sports-centric college--and I'm totally happy about that--but I was hoping to get a better sense of cohesiveness on campus.</p>

<p>Can any current or former students comment? Would you say this is true, or did I simply get a bad read during my visit?</p>

<p>magda-</p>

<p>I have a few thoughts here.</p>

<p>1) When you think of community you think of a small liberal arts college where everybody is very into being a part of an “intentional community” and dorms are clustered closely together on a relatively isolated campus. There is a kind of community that I think schools like Dartmouth, Haverford, Grinnell, Carleton, etc. specialize in and I think this is a community Chicago has, but not quite in the same degree.</p>

<p>2) Your overnight was a small and not particularly representative sample of what being a Chicago student is like.</p>

<p>3) When I was a student I found a pretty cohesive network of people who all knew each other even though I met them independently. I wouldn’t say we were kumbaya-style community, but we took classes together, worked together, played together.</p>

<p>Yeah, I suppose it’s really UChicago of me, but could you explain/define what you mean by community or cohesiveness?</p>

<p>For example, I feel like the Core and the academic rigor of the institution really create something that all students can talk (and complain :slight_smile: ) about. To some extent, we’re all going through the same struggles, so we might as well stick together. Towards that, I’d cite Chicago’s real lack of competition in the classroom; we learn to work together, because we want to and because we need to.</p>

<p>Thank you both for your responses! I guess I was being a bit vague in my original question. What I was trying to gauge was something along the lines of the social scene at UChicago. While I understand that it’s a university and not a small liberal arts school, it does seem that they are trying very hard to make the liberal-arts-style environment come across to us prospectives, so I was wondering if the community does actually have that close-knit quality to it outside of the residential housing system. There are some schools of a comparable size (like Tufts, for example) where this does appear to be true, and others where it’s not the case. Do students tend to develop strong social groups outside of their houses and Core classes? What about campus-wide events, like Scav, for example–are there other traditional goings-on that the student body takes part in? I come from a smaller high school that places a lot of emphasis on traditions and group events, so the idea of attending a school where you can not only be an individual but be part of something larger than yourself is very appealing.
I apologize for not articulating myself very well, haha, as well as for veering into cheesiness with that last line there :)</p>

<p>First of all, notice that Chicago – like a lot of other elite research universities, including Tufts – has a college that is not a whole lot bigger than many LACs. Chicago has about 5,000 undergraduates; schools like Oberlin, St. Olaf, Smith, Bucknell have 3,000 or more. You probably don’t know everyone in your class at Chicago, but you probably have some meaningful contact with a pretty big percentage of your class.</p>

<p>Both of my kids had strong, tight social groups that developed almost entirely outside of their houses (increasingly irrelevant after the first quarter) and Core classes (never relevant at all, friend-wise, except for choosing some of the later ones in conjunction with friends). In one kid’s case, the friends came partly from ECs and partly from people who showed up at the same parties she did wearing the same kind of clothes, plus one or two (including, in hindsight, her college BFF) from her major, a couple left over from her house, and some she knew going back to childhood (she shared apartments for two years with a boy who had been in her class in 4th grade). In the other kid’s case, the friends are almost entirely EC-related, or Scav-related, or both, plus a few from his major.</p>

<p>Scav is certainly a unique institution that binds lots of students together, although there are also large numbers of students who detest it. The student activities board does lots of the things similar boards do elsewhere, promoting big outdoor concert/parties a couple times a year. There is something called Kuviasungnerk/Kangeiko in the winter that sounds like an interesting acquired taste. (It culminates in an early-morning polar-bear swim in Lake Michigan. In January.) One of my kids never missed the annual Latke-Hamantash Debate, a very Chicagoish sort of institution in which famous and up-and-coming academics present elegant, tongue-in-cheek arguments for the relative superiority of one or the other form of traditional Jewish holiday snacks, from the standpoint of their academic discipline. There’s also something called the Lascivious Ball, which was cancelled for a long time because it apparently lived up to its name too well, and has recently been revived but without quite getting its full mojo back yet. </p>

<p>Houses and dorms have additional traditions, Sunday teas (with academic papers) at Snell-Hitchcock, outdoor movies at Maclean, and, apparently, seeing what everyone else is doing at the South Campus dorm. Particular groups have an impact on the community that extends beyond the group itself – the Ultimate Frisbee Team, which (at least in the past) was responsible for lots of parties, or University Theater (ditto, plus people love following their improv group, Off-Off Campus).</p>

<p>Also, don’t miss the real importance of the Core. It’s not so much that you meet your friends in Core classes, it’s that Core classes make it really easy to talk about substantive things with people you have barely met, because you share a rich pool of common references. At a college whose students pretty much self-select for liking to have intellectual discussions, something that makes it really easy to have intellectual discussions with people you don’t know all that well yet really helps bind people together.</p>

<p>I think JHS definitely hits on a big point here, that community at Chicago is not about everyone so much as it is about anyone. With the Core and the intellectualism between us, it’s easy to talk to any stranger on the street; we’ve all read the Apology and slogged through the Ethics, so we share a common language.</p>

<p>From my visit to Chicago I got the impression that a lot of the community revolves around your house. The smaller houses within Snell-Hitchcock and Burton-Judson have closer communities, whereas the houses within South Campus and Max P. have relatively looser ones. </p>

<p>Possible red flag: almost everyone at the dorm I was visiting was either a first year or a second year. When I asked why, I was told that most upperclassmen move out of the dorms into apartments near the campus.</p>

<p>Snell-Hitchcock, perhaps as a product of its tight community, has a high retention rate of upperclassmen compared to the other dorms. Even after moving out, people still maintain connections with people who they meet through their houses, so it’s pretty cool.</p>

<p>Also, the reason many choose to move out of the housing system is because of the plethora of cheap housing options available in the neighborhood. The savings can be significant enough to sway people, regardless of their social preferences.</p>

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That is certainly true for some people, and some houses (see Rny2’s post), and just as certainly not true for other people, and most houses. The marketing places more emphasis on this than reality would bear out. Also, I think you would see a different balance in April than you saw in October, and you would definitely see a different balance if you were talking to third-years vs. first-years. The house system is a great help to forming communities for kids who want to use it that way, but kids who don’t need their social lives to revolve around their houses have perfectly good social lives that don’t revolve around their houses.</p>

<p>Concrete example: Scav teams are mostly organized by dorm. Scav has been incredibly important to one of my kids. And he never scavved with his dorm’s team. His scav friends were mostly in another dorm, and so he would effectively move in there for scav, and he actually had a leadership position on the scav team for a dorm where he never lived (and didn’t even like going to, except during scav).</p>

<p>@OP - what other schools ar you considering and how did you judge community at those schools?</p>