<p>If you have a 3.5is GPA in high school, realize that you will probably have a lower GPA in college, unless for some reason you slacked off in high school - my friend who had a 3.7 in a competetive high school has a 3.3ish GPA in UCSD. so realize that if you pick a CC you could be looking into a worse college for transferring than the college you get into now. for going to an ivy, you need to have a significantly higher GPA than 3.5 + excellent EC's. For transferring, in California anyway, colleges do look at cc's before regular colleges.</p>
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If you have a 3.5is GPA in high school, realize that you will probably have a lower GPA in college, unless for some reason you slacked off in high school - my friend who had a 3.7 in a competetive high school has a 3.3ish GPA in UCSD. so realize that if you pick a CC you could be looking into a worse college for transferring than the college you get into now. for going to an ivy, you need to have a significantly higher GPA than 3.5 + excellent EC's. For transferring, in California anyway, colleges do look at cc's before regular colleges.
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I do realize that. The thing is, my priorities during my 8th grade, freshman, and sophomore years were completely out of whack (had my first serious boyfriend, cared more about friends, parental and family issues, etc.) so I consciously made the decision to not put school first as it should have been. Also, the idea that "junior year is the most important year" was always in the back of my head, so I stupidly believed that junior was the only important year. Realizing junior year was "it", I made straight A's (with t he exception of a B for the first 9 weeks in AP U.S History) in AP courses my entire junior year, so while I realize college is harder than HS, I also realize I was completely capable all throughout HS of obtaining a 3.8-4.0 had I applied myself so I am probably capable of doing the same in college if I apply myself (as I plan on doing).</p>
<p>Honestly, you live in Virginia for crying out loud. Virginia is known for their excellent academics. GMU, JMU, Vtech, UVA, UMW, W&M, etc. You have a plethora of colleges instate to choose from. Not saying the prestige of Ivy's and more famous colleges are not commendable, but for the most part, the degree matters, not where it came from.</p>
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Honestly, you live in Virginia for crying out loud. Virginia is known for their excellent academics. GMU, JMU, Vtech, UVA, UMW, W&M, etc. You have a plethora of colleges instate to choose from. Not saying the prestige of Ivy's and more famous colleges are not commendable, but for the most part, the degree matters, not where it came from.
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You're funny. I think where it comes from matters as well, but I agree that I do have quite a variety of decent instate colleges to choose from. My sister goes to JMU so that's out of the hat, Tech and GMU are in the hat, but they're not really that super difficult of schools are they? Thanks for this post, though. UVA and W&M are my top 2 instate colleges. Since Princeton is a no-go, GEORGETOWN IS MY ABSOLUTE DREAM college in the long run (after I transfer into it).</p>
<p>Any other college advice, admission advice, or anything from anyone is appreciated.</p>
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I wouldn't say 'literally'
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<p>The following is from the Princeton admissions site:</p>
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If you have already started a college or university degree program elsewhere, you are not eligible to apply for admission to Princeton. We accept students who will begin their freshman year in the fall. Princeton does not offer spring semester entry or a transfer admission option.
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Taken from Princeton</a> University | Apply for Admission</p>
<p>If you're going to make a drastic move like skip on a 4-year in hopes of transferring to Princeton, at least do a search on their admissions site. D:</p>
<p>The weight of a degree and what grades you accomplish far exceeds where it comes from. For grad. school, schools do look at what institution you went to, but don't expect going to a reputable grad. program with a 2.5 from Harvard. Super difficult of schools? I would assume that most schools have their fair share of difficult and mildly easy teachers. You do realize that there are teachers who attended Harvard, Cornell, Princeton, etc. that teach at these schools right or were you under some other impression? I don't know where you live, but if you attend NVCC, and do very well, you can get into G-town as a transfer. Hope that helps.</p>
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The following is from the Princeton admissions site:</p>
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If you have already started a college or university degree program elsewhere, you are not eligible to apply for admission to Princeton. We accept students who will begin their freshman year in the fall. Princeton does not offer spring semester entry or a transfer admission option. </p>
<p>Taken from Princeton University | Apply for Admission</p>
<p>If you're going to make a drastic move like skip on a 4-year in hopes of transferring to Princeton, at least do a search on their admissions site. D:
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Sweetheart, I have already read their admissions Q&A and I've also read the [url=<a href="http://www.princeton.edu/pr/admissions/u/transfer.html%5Dapology%5B/url">http://www.princeton.edu/pr/admissions/u/transfer.html]apology[/url</a>] on their site they've made regarding their inability to accept transfer students, in fact I've already commented on it on this thread. If you're going to accuse me of being completely negligent, at least do a quick scan of the posts in this thread to make sure you have your facts straight. Thanks anyways.</p>
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The weight of a degree and what grades you accomplish far exceeds where it comes from. For grad. school, schools do look at what institution you went to, but don't expect going to a reputable grad. program with a 2.5 from Harvard. Super difficult of schools? I would assume that most schools have their fair share of difficult and mildly easy teachers. You do realize that there are teachers who attended Harvard, Cornell, Princeton, etc. that teach at these schools right or were you under some other impression? I don't know where you live, but if you attend NVCC, and do very well, you can get into G-town as a transfer. Hope that helps.
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That actually does help a great deal. I wasn't under the impression that the professors at those schools aren't graduates from Harvard, Cornell, etc. (in fact being a college professor one day is one career dream of mine, along with political science, so that's another reason why I'm pushing to get into an Ivy League). Though you've put it into a better perspective for me and are helping me probably the most out of anyone else in this thread. I'm going to look into that NVCC school right now to see if it has the same type of articulation agreement to Georgetown as RBCC has with William & Mary, if it does you've completely opened a new door of opportunity for me and I appreciate it. Thanks!</p>
<p>Georgetown isn't in the ivy league football conference, sweetheart. I'm not sure how you would feel about attending there.</p>
<p>Anyway, yes I read every single post here and I've seen that apology also. Did you notice that it's dated June 2005 and is a whopping two sentences long? Do you realize how terrible that makes your chances of being an undergraduate there? Even if they do eventually open up transfer spots (this would have to happen next year for your case), it would be astonishingly competitive. I'm not saying this as a judgment of you personally. I feel that, simply, probability should also be addressed.</p>
<p>With that said, I'm not accusing you of being "completely negligent". You put that in my mouth out of self-righteousness. You are explicitly accusing me of not having my facts straight...</p>
<p>NVCC only has agreements with VA schools and some off campus ones. I'm almost certain that because Georgetown is a private school, they are not allowed to be in public matters.</p>
<p>Articulations</p>
<p>Vtech- 3.2
GMU- 2.75
UVA- 3.4
W&M- 3.65 i think</p>
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Georgetown isn't in the ivy league football conference, sweetheart. I'm not sure how you would feel about attending there.
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Big deal. OK I admit I came off like a "Ivy League snob" at first, but just because Georgetown isn't an Ivy League doesn't really matter, it's still a nice school and I'm interested in it.
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Anyway, yes I read every single post here and I've seen that apology also. Did you notice that it's dated June 2005 and is a whopping two sentences long? Do you realize how terrible that makes your chances of being an undergraduate there? Even if they do eventually open up transfer spots (this would have to happen next year for your case), it would be astonishingly competitive. I'm not saying this as a judgment of you personally. I feel that, simply, probability should also be addressed.</p>
<p>With that said, I'm not accusing you of being "completely negligent". You put that in my mouth out of self-righteousness. You are explicitly accusing me of not having my facts straight...
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I appreciate you aren't judging me personally, but I don't appreciate the condescending tone you're using in your approach towards me. I'm most certainly not "self-righteous" by any means, I still stand by my assertion that "if you're going to accuse me of being negligent, at least read all the posts in this thread" because not only would you have realized I did indeed read Princeton's website, you would have also realized that I specifically noted that Princeton isn't a feasible college option for me anymore. I give immense appreciation to those on this board who have offered their insightful assistance and helped me cross Princeton off my list of "dream" colleges (you are included in that appreciation as you've also helped me realize the unlikeliness of me ever attending Princteon, regardless of how condescending your tone towards me is).</p>
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NVCC only has agreements with VA schools and some off campus ones. I'm almost certain that because Georgetown is a private school, they are not allowed to be in public matters.</p>
<p>Articulations</p>
<p>Vtech- 3.2
GMU- 2.75
UVA- 3.4
W&M- 3.65 i think
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Brilliantly wonderful advice.</p>
<p>If I were you I would go to a VCC then transfer to UVA. It is an excellent school and you can take advantage of in state tuition. I wish I had the opportunity to do that.</p>
<p>yeah, why not go to a Four year school, THEN transfer to the school of your choice?</p>
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I'm not sure what TAG is,
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<p>Oh, I'm sorry. Transfer Admissions Agreement. Some of those you have to be wary of because they admit students into only select programs, but that's not the case with the school you posted. </p>
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and if you don't mind me asking, what college do you attend?
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<p>I don't mind. I go to a community college in PA. My situation was not totally unlike yours though, just a lot more extreme. I was the epitome of a horrible student in high school. It was a combination of drugs, apathy, and a few family things I don't really want to post on-line. I somehow graduated, with an insanely low GPA (I don't even know what the final GPA was, but I think it was something like a 2.0). I kicked a few habits enrolled in community college and kept up a 4.0 GPA throughout three semesters. </p>
<p>I'm looking to transfer fall of '09, I haven't made any final decisions yet, but the schools definitely on my short list are: UPenn/Brown (Reach), UChicago (Reach), NYU (Ideal dream school), Wesleyan, UPitt (Safety), Emerson (Safety). And maybe a couple others, Cornell/JHU, I'm still researching. </p>
<p>I hate talking about myself. :). </p>
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However, my guidance counseler tells me that colleges look at community college transfers BEFORE they look at 4-year college transfers.
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<p>Some do, some don't, some look at all colleges the same. I know a portion of Yale's (probably the hardest school to transfer into, save for Stanford) incoming transfer class was from a community college. Amherst (Widely regarded as the best liberal arts school in the nation) has a special admissions program just for community college students to ensure fairness. Then there are schools like UChicago that hate us, which frustrates me to no end. </p>
<p>Georgetown doesn't have a bias towards community colleges, I know that much. I don't think Cornell does either, as I know of many people that went from CCs to Cornell. </p>
<p>With all that said, Hulk Hogan (I can't take that seriously, lol) has a really good point. Do you know how jealous the rest of the country is with Virginians and Californins? I live in PA, my best state school options are PSU and Upitt. Pretty schools, but nothing like UVa or UCBerkeley. UVa is competitive with every school mentioned in this thread, btw.</p>
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I don't mind. I go to a community college in PA. My situation was not totally unlike yours though, just a lot more extreme. I was the epitome of a horrible student in high school. It was a combination of drugs, apathy, and a few family things I don't really want to post on-line. I somehow graduated, with an insanely low GPA (I don't even know what the final GPA was, but I think it was something like a 2.0). I kicked a few habits enrolled in community college and kept up a 4.0 GPA throughout three semesters.
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You sound like a miracle story my good sir, you went from having a 2.0 in HS to retaining a 4.0 in Community College, which not only is awesome, but it makes me more confident that I will be able to have achieved a similar "denouement" by the end of 2 years at a CC (or 4-year school, depending on what I choose to do) if I apply myself. It puts those people who say "You have a 3.4 in HS, you'll probably have even lower in college because college is harder" to shame. Good job.
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I'm looking to transfer fall of '09, I haven't made any final decisions yet, but the schools definitely on my short list are: UPenn/Brown (Reach), UChicago (Reach), NYU (Ideal dream school), Wesleyan, UPitt (Safety), Emerson (Safety). And maybe a couple others, Cornell/JHU, I'm still researching.</p>
<p>I hate talking about myself. :).
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UChicago and Upenn are reach with a 4.0?? Sheesh. Have you done your community service and extra curricular? I am interested in UChicago too (lol). NYU you can probably make it in, if that's in the middle of the city of NY then I don't know how on gods gorgeous green Earth you can afford that. Anyway, I wish you the best of luck.
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Some do, some don't, some look at all colleges the same. I know a portion of Yale's (probably the hardest school to transfer into, save for Stanford) incoming transfer class was from a community college. Amherst (Widely regarded as the best liberal arts school in the nation) has a special admissions program just for community college students to ensure fairness. Then there are schools like UChicago that hate us, which frustrates me to no end.
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That is disappointing, I think it's unfair and pretentious when universities don't even consider transfer students. How many times can you transfer out of a college? Say I want to go to CC get a 4.0 then transfer into Georgetown and decide I don't like GT when I get there, could I then transfer into another school like say Cornell or something? Also, please post on this site where you end up transferring when you figure it out and get accepted.
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Georgetown doesn't have a bias towards community colleges, I know that much. I don't think Cornell does either, as I know of many people that went from CCs to Cornell.
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That is good to hear.
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With all that said, Hulk Hogan (I can't take that seriously, lol) has a really good point. Do you know how jealous the rest of the country is with Virginians and Californians? I live in PA, my best state school options are PSU and Upitt. Pretty schools, but nothing like UVa or UCBerkeley. UVa is competitive with every school mentioned in this thread, btw.
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PSU is along the same lines as UVa. I'm thinking about UVa too, I know a lot of people who get accepted in there from my HS (people that I didn't even realize were that incredibly "ivy-league-esque" intelligent) and it doesn't really seem like it deserves such a good rep that it has. It's a gorgeous campus, but I just don't get good vibes from it. Regardless, I realize it's a good school and living in-state gives me great financial advantage, so it's in the hat too. </p>
<p>Anyway, so far I'm deciding on going to a Community College--it's cheaper, colleges look at the transfers first, and the community college I'm considering has a TAG with W&M so if I can't transfer into a good school with the 4.0GPA I plan on having in CC , I can always fall back on going to W&M (a great school too).</p>
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yeah, why not go to a Four year school, THEN transfer to the school of your choice?
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It's not out of the hat, but from a not-so-high-end family (with a sister who just started college this year), and in a time where our nation is dealing with serious economic woes, I'm looking for what's most financially beneficial for me and my family. Going to a 4-year college for two years is far more expensive then going to a community college for two years and transferring.</p>
<p>You sound ambitious enough to end up at an Ivy for graduate school. That's when the real magic happens anyway. At large research-focused universities, there is often a disconnection between undergraduate students and Professors (for obvious reasons). This doesn't compromise the undergraduate's educational experience per se, but it definitely makes more sense to pursue graduate work at a large institution.</p>
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You sound like a miracle story my good sir, you went from having a 2.0 in HS to retaining a 4.0 in Community College, which not only is awesome, but it makes me more confident that I will be able to have achieved a similar "denouement" by the end of 2 years at a CC (or 4-year school, depending on what I choose to do) if I apply myself. It puts those people who say "You have a 3.4 in HS, you'll probably have even lower in college because college is harder" to shame. Good job.
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<p>Thank you. </p>
<p>That is such a myth. College a totally different environment than HS. I know, besides just myself, a lot of people who simply responded to the college environment a lot better. </p>
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UChicago and Upenn are reach with a 4.0?? Sheesh.
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<p>UPenn's really a reach for anybody. The only thing I have going for me is I'm a Philadelphia native and my dad's a Penn alumni. Still, I don't expect to get in. </p>
<p>UChicago's weird. A couple of years ago they were a little more transfer friendly, accepting up to around 22% of their transfers (which happens to be really high for a top-10 school). In the past few years however they dropped to a dismal 8% transfer rate. That's actually worse than Penn's. I'm hoping they bounce back this year, or maybe just see the progress I made and get over their CC bias. Doubtful though.
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Have you done your community service and extra curricular? I am interested in UChicago too (lol). NYU you can probably make it in, if that's in the middle of the city of NY then I don't know how on gods gorgeous green Earth you can afford that. Anyway, I wish you the best of luck.
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<p>I do have a fair amount of ECs. Nothing outrageously special, I've done a lot of social work, obviously key being that I want to at least minor in sociology. I've also been an English tutor, attended a prestigious writers conference, Phi Theta Kappa member, worked on the lit mag in high school, and am semi-involved with student government. Enough to list it as an EC anyway. :). And I work a lot of hours. </p>
<p>I'm really crossing my fingers for NYU. They have a great writing and sociology program (my main interests) and I'm a little less than a hour away from NYC. If I had to I could commute, but I've been working full hours for almost two years and have a good amount of cash saved up. </p>
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How many times can you transfer out of a college? Say I want to go to CC get a 4.0 then transfer into Georgetown and decide I don't like GT when I get there, could I then transfer into another school like say Cornell or something? </p>
<p>Also, please post on this site where you end up transferring when you figure it out and get accepted.
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<p>I'm actually not sure about this. I'd think if you do two years at your community college (which you would probably have to. Definitely for Cornell, probably for Georgetown) you'll have at least 60 credits. Most schools require you to do more than 60 credits at that school to earn a degree. I'm not even sure if schools will let you sacrifice more than a few credits. That's why it's really important to come up with a wide variety of transfer schools that you'll not only thrive at, but enjoy. But I really don't know, maybe somebody else can weigh in on this? </p>
<p>I most certainly will. I'm not sure exactly what I'm going to do yet. If I only get into my safeties I'm seriously considering taking a year off. I have a few pretty internships lined up, I could save some more money, take time off to do something interesting, and apply to the same schools as well as some of the returning adult programs next year. If I get into NYU, Penn, or Chicago however, that plans in the can. Haha. </p>
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PSU is along the same lines as UVa.
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<p>With all due respect to Penn State, I have friends there, UVa and PSU aren't really in the same league academically. I hate to bring up rankings because I think they're arbitrary and don't represent the big picture, but UVa comes in at #23 (coincidentally tied with Georgetown for #23). PSU is 47th. </p>
<p>And Grey has another good point. I've heard of students who went from mid-level state schools to top graduate programs. Don't stress so much. Enjoy your time wherever you wind up going. You'll get so much more out of it that way.</p>
<p>Hey TValentine, </p>
<p>I just transferred to georgetown from Community College this year. I am having the time of my life here and I would love to offer advice. PM me for ?s</p>