<p>The curriculum 15 years ago might have been the same among the Indian and the US universities. The really crap part, however, is that the curriculum here has not changed in 15 years, while the US universities have introduced and continue to introduce cutting edge programs. In short, I am currently “learning” stuff that might have been used in industry around 20 years ago.</p>
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<p>Do your professors sit in the staff room and tell you to go away because they don’t want to teach a scheduled lecture? </p>
<p>Do your professors spend an entire practical session attempting to convert an excel file to a csv file? </p>
<p>Do your professors spend their lectures hitting on female undergrads? </p>
<p>Do your professors come on the first day of the semester and tell you that they do not know Java, and will not teach the subject at all?</p>
<p>Do your professors ask you to solve their PhD assignments for you?</p>
<p>Are your professors currently pursuing their Masters’ degree in the same university?</p>
<p>I didn’t think so.</p>
<p>I apologise that your college has such disinterested and incompetent professors. The point im trying to make is dont put US education on a pedestal. Unequivocally anyone can endorse that for the money you pay, the education you can get at elite universities in India finds no parallel in the US. Think about it, US professors are paid orders of magnitude more and yet many dont display far better competency that their indian counterparts. Thats all Im trying to say.</p>
<p>My college is considered the best college under the University of Mumbai, which in turn is one of the best universities in the country. That should tell you how good the system here is…</p>
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In this I definitely agree. I am most confused as to how top universities in india have profs that don’t even hold PhD degrees. DU may be an exception though…but other ones seem to give a much more higher standing to master’s degree holders. Some people may argue that they may be geniuses…but I think you need to have a PhD to have some credentials and seniority before you shove the PhD holder out of the picture. One school I looked at had an appalling faculty that had only one member be a doctorate, while the real doctorates in india are actually simple school teachers… I don’t think I want to be told otherwise cause I know this is true.</p>
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<p>LOL, it’s not the case of there being genius Masters’ students. These guys are drop outs who scored in the 40-50 percentiles in the engineering entrance examination, called GATE.</p>
<p>This is my faculty homepage. See the qualifications for yourself:</p>
<p>[Faculty</a> | Department of Information Technology](<a href=“http://it.spit.ac.in/faculty/]Faculty”>Faculty - Department of Information Technology)</p>
<p>I’m not going to be fervent about the education debate this time. What I’ve realized in my not-so-extraordinary school this year, is that it is more or less a moot debate. One can find as much flaws in the American system as in the Indian system. In the end, it all depends on how you perceive education and little else. I do still have serious disagreements with the Indian education system, and the mentality, but that doesn’t mean American system is any better, or has less problems - only different perhaps. It’s just that I (and most Indian education system loathers) might be able to adapt to the American or European lifestyle well, and this attribute might vary from person to person.</p>
<p>Come on man. American System>>Indian System</p>
<p>Having lived through three and a half years of the Indian system, I can safely say - it can’t get any worse.</p>
<p>Last 10+ years, india has had a strong growth with jobs and salaries going up. So unfortunately the quality of people who actually want to teach, may have gone down. If someone can get 4 times the salary outside, why would they teach. Also there are so many private colleges in India now, that can probably pay comparable salaries. Having said that, this is not the case with every department or every university. While I won’t link the college I went to 15 years back, looking at their faculty, they do have Ph.Ds and ME professors. I have seen indian parents pull their kids out of colleges here and choose Engineering colleges in India. From what I hear, they are happy and doing well. In fact, some of the kids do not wish to come back either.</p>
<p>I think we can keep arguing which system is better. There are positives and negatives with both. Grass is always green on the other side.Here also undergrads are taught by TAs in a lot of cases. The professors are tenured based on the research funds they get and their prime goal really isn’t teaching a bunch of first/second year students. I think both in US and India, the quality can vary from college to college.</p>
<p>One thing that hasn’t changed is the complain factor. I bet the people who are complaining in india will come here and do the same complaining as well (when you are faced with paying $40K/year tuition, working in the cafeteria making minimum wage) and having TA’s come to a class with 300+ students and teach (from some power point slides) in non-understandable English :)</p>
<p>oh guys stop disgracing and slandering indian education system further. i understand you guys all have your reasons to join u.s. universities( as a matter of fact i have too or else i wouldnt be here would i?
) but do stop your insults. the condition is already way too bad without your comments. and id definitely agree with @mysticgohan, indian profs’ income is INR 50000 while their american counterparts earn more than $50000 anyway. can you get the comparison? the profs there have a reason to give their best effort in educating the students. and i agree with @EminemFan( im an “EminemFan” too!!) that all countries have some or the other problems in their education and u.s. is not an exception:)</p>
<p>p.s. @arronnie and @Liveulife do cosider joining any us university for your masters if it bothers you that much. NOI:)</p>
<p>p.p.s. @karan11295 when will your college decisions come out??? im curious:)</p>
<p>akashdip: you are back? good 
my decisions come out march end. Fingers crossed for miracles.</p>
<p>yeah miracles are what we all need…</p>
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You may be true but in my opinion, conditions 10years ago were much worse. India is in good standing now and is improving. I think the reason why many of us see bachelor’s degree holders as professors is because of new universities that are suddenly sprouting. I’ve noticed the trend and have seen that many of the schools by region have actually been built in 2008, which is surprising and exciting at the same time.<br>
<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_in_India[/url]”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_in_India</a></p>
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Did you read all those posts correctly or are you just asserting without having read? I already attend a us uni…
Also… $50000 is not a lot here. The professors complain to me that they usually tell their post docs to teach high school and then come back to do professorship cause it’s a lot easier. I had an ivy league teacher in high school who was just brilliant and he didn’t budge from his position because quite frankly he’s getting much higher salary than what he would have received had he taught in college. There are other teachers who have not attended ivy but through their talents have become head of their respective department and earn a good deal. The salary must be compared ONLY to its respective economy. $50000 here is not that much, it’s decent. 50000 INR is decent for Indian economy. Nevertheless, education is given a much higher calling here and that is why professors are required to be much more professional (albeit some may not be good in teaching but that is why college visits and fit comes to play—this is not what a foreign student who lives too far away from country of application thinks about really). However, I never renegaded over an indian education. If you haven’t looked at my previous posts (which tells me you really haven’t) I was actually promoting a cheaper undergrad education if the goal was to go an expensive foreign institute. However, then people just went to extremes by replacing a decent indian education with a glorified education that people just jumped for because it had unrealistic good teaching facilities. I know that the facilities are decent…but technology and income of college isn’t enough to compare here because here the institutes get a lot of funding for research…which is not a hype in india. Though, I believe that an indian education is a very good investment because research isn’t a focus for undergrad but rather for grad. In fact, I know a close friend of mine who went to europe to pursue his undergrad because the cost was cheaper.<br>
Just my two cents…</p>
<p>well @Liveulife you answered your own question. $50000 is not more there even if INR 50000 is quite a lot here. nevertheless sorry for not reading up your posts properly. i thought you and @arronnie are on the same boat:D</p>
<p>p.s. which school are you attending??</p>
<p>Uh im sorry I think Akash means to say Rs 50,000 a month and not annually. I doubt any professor actually gets paid $50,000 a month by his college. And I cant believe you’d actually equate a rupee in India to a dollar here. By PPP its more like 10 rupees to a dollar. So a prof earning 6 lakh in India is more akin to a professor earning close to 60k USD a year. So yeah even going by that metric professors arent exceptionally well paid here as Akash might’ve thought. But profs here i think are paid in excess of a 100 grand which is a decent amount I imagine for someone in academia. If you want money you shouldnt be in academia anyway.</p>
<p>And the issue with profs here is that teaching some really introductory stuff to a class of naive freshman isnt really the greatest priority for a prof juggling million dollar grants.</p>
<p>well yeah i meant that. and i knew what i was saying. INR 50K monthly and $ 50K annually has a difference.</p>
<p>and nice to meet you again. hows life at pasadena?:D</p>
<p>and btw earning isnt the only factor governing life if you ask my opinion. i got better things to do than just work and earn… all i need is a decent lifestyle. nothing fancy like going to martha’s vineyard for vacation and such. just a classic good old life will do. ive other things to do too.</p>
<p>I’d like to add my two cents to this. Indian education is a case of you get what you pay for. At IIT’s the professors are good. They are knowledgeable, sincere and always encourage the students. Where we stand back is the facilities. But you get what you pay for. The IIT-B hostel is crap. The food is crap. The labs and the classrooms arent modern enough. And also there is no flexibility. For example i cant take up an elective in nanotechnology because i’m a CS branch student. The course is too rigid. I have to study social science only for my humanities requirements, i cannot opt for literature or music or arts even if i’m interested. I have to decide my major before entering the college. There are some students in CS with me who though they could excel in CS because they were good at MS-office or surfing the web 
or worse just because last year the highest package was from cs they take up cs even if they have no interest and dont even know C of computers. Somehow majors here get clubbed with prestige and not with interest.</p>