<p>I know that there are millions of threads about this (i know how to use the SEARCH button =)) ) I have checked them all but still.....Since I have got an offer from Oxford and one from Yale..I am in a huge dilemna and i am not able to decide...Anyways i know that it is quite impossible to rank/compare them by their education..But i think it is quite possible to compare them by their Prestige/reputation in the US and more importantly(this is what i care the most) by their Grad School placement to top American programs...How does it work for a kid with an Oxford degree to go to a top American school for a Masters or a PhD? Thanks..</p>
<p>sorry, i have no knowledge or qualification to answer your question, but i imagine you will have more american connections if you go to yale and to some degree it will be easier to get into grad school (or at least less tedious).</p>
<p>yea, i know, it has nothing to do with luck. props.</p>
<p>I think it might be better to decide based on the type of education you'll be getting. As you know, at Oxford you'll be specializing in one subject right away, while at Yale you'll get a much broader liberal arts education. Which appeals to you more, and which university is stronger in the subject(s) you're interested in?</p>
<p>I don't know how much I can help you with your specific case, but at least I can speak for my own: I'm also offered a place at Oxford to read Economics and Management, and a place at Wharton School at UPenn.</p>
<p>As for your question about Grad School the states with a degree from Oxford... I heard that Oxford undergrads become top grabs for further education whichever country they go, including the states. You'll have great chances.</p>
<p>So, which school...it depends on what subject you want to study as well as what Booklady says; it really depends on what style and environment you're looking for. For me, I was comparing Oxford's one-to-one tutorial style to Wharton's small working group style... I'm not sure how Yale does it, but it's best to pick the one you'll be most comfortable with for the next 3 or 4 years!</p>
<p>In the end I chose Wharton mainly for these reasons: course (vigorously practical, instead of vigorously theoretical), undergrad opportunities (e.g. internships) and post-undergrad opportunities that Wharton offers. UPenn will also allow me to continue studies in other areas that are not my major (e.g. science/design/whatnot), and generally, I can tailor my course choices exactly as I want them.
So basically, I have a strong concentration with peripheral interesting courses to scatter about ;)
Again, this may/may not apply to your case if you were to go to Yale.</p>
<p>If you don't mind can I ask what you're planning to read at Oxford, and what major you plan to pursue at Yale?</p>
<p>Engineering Science at Oxford...i suppose it ll be st similar at Yale as well..but i dont really want to become a regular engineer..i just see it as a good base for any stuff...</p>
<p>I am not sure if I will still be a top notch applicant for Graduate programs in the US after getting a degree from UK...also since Britain is smaller that might end up as a less competitive school for British kids..i mean there are fewer uni s in UK compared to ones in the US so like %2 of the British kids who decided to college end up in Oxbridge...that might be something negative etc...I am so confused..I have concerns about Grad school placement of Oxford in the US...</p>
<p>I'm sure grad school placement from both is incredible, and neither will put you at a disadvantage. I, personally, would go with Yale, but I'm an American who doesn't know much about Oxford.</p>
<p>Oxford grads are so in-demand in IB or Management Consultancy, if this would help. You'll be amazed how incredibly marketable Oxford grads are. But suppose it's the same for Yalies. But pick Oxford. You would have an amazing college life there -- so different from the US.</p>
<p>i am an american who tried to learn a lot about oxford..but still i am confused..lol..yale is cool but i dont know its like ooooxford..lol and moreover i ll get a masters in 4 years if i go there....my friend considered Brown vs. Oxford for math last year and he ended up thinkin that Brown is the right one for him...</p>
<p>I just saw this question come up, so this thread is moving over to the appropriate forum (College Search & Selection) and I'll post here some FAQ information about the Ivy League. As other threads come up about comparing Ivy League colleges to non-Ivy League colleges (as such threads continually do here), I'll merge some of those into this thread. Read the thread CAREFULLY before posting to know which questions go with which replies. </p>
<p>The Ivy League is an intercollegiate athletic league </p>
<p>consisting of eight colleges, all of which were founded long before the intercollegiate athletic league existed and all of which are located in the northeast United States. They have some common policies related to admission </p>
<p>Besides the Ivy League proper, there is an "Ivy Plus" group consisting of some colleges with similar (not always identical) policies in those areas. </p>
<p>Congratulations. It's hard to go wrong with a choice between Oxford and Yale. I see from your thread-opening post that one of your concerns is being able eventually to pursue graduate studies in the United States. On my part, I really don't have a strong opinion about which college is "better," either in terms of academic program or in terms of graduate school placement. Both are quite sufficient for your needs, I think. </p>
<p>I will comment on the one selection issue that I have the same bias on for all students. I think, if a student is admitted to two or more colleges that all seem much alike in prestige, quality, etc., the best choice is to attend the college that is farthest from your home. I went to a college very close to home (the only one to which I applied) for my undergraduate degree), and then lived abroad for three years after that as a language student. I think the international student experience was very valuable for me, and I only regret that I didn't get it much sooner. I think there is tremendous learning value in getting out of your familiar environment sooner rather than later and meeting people who have never lived in your part of the world. I think, based on what you wrote, that this advice would result in you going to Yale. For a student who grew up in Connecticut, the same advice would result in that student going to Oxford. :) Sometimes choosing colleges gets down to individual factors like that. </p>
<p>Good luck deciding whatever you decide. As you see, I grabbed your interesting thread to turn it into the next comprehensive Ivy League thread, but I wanted to answer your specific question right away too.</p>
<p>Program-for-program, Cornell is the best university in the Ivy League. The reputation of its individual majors is the bestof all the Ivies, overall.</p>
<p>Here is a list of the majors at Cornell that are either among the four best programs in the Ivies or the only program in the Ivies:</p>
<p>American studies.
Anthropology.
Asian studies.
Behavioral science.
Child psychology.
East Asian studies.
History
international relations.
Labor and industrial relations.
Medieval studies.
Political science.
Southeast Asian studies</p>
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Program-for-program, Cornell is the best university in the Ivy League. The reputation of its individual majors is the bestof all the Ivies, overall.
<p>I am on record for saying this, because it is true. Cornell is best Ivy program-for-program because it has the highest number of top programs in the Ivy League, even when you exclude the programs that are exclusive to Cornell. By "top-program", I am referring to the Gourman Report score being in the top 4 of the Ivy League. I think the engineering and business programs can be corroborated by US News. The others might be corroborated by PhD production or NRC ratings.</p>
<p>If you look down the list of programs, I think individuals who are knowledgeable about particular content areas might also agree that Cornell is in the top four Ivies for each content area.</p>
<p>For any of the programs listed, can anyone clearly say that there are four Ivies better than Cornell's program?</p>
<p>It's a very funny way to claim Cornell is best to claim that it is usually "Ivy top four," because that could always concede that HYP are all better, and it could also concede that any number of non-Ivy League colleges dominate Cornell. My first question in response to this claim might be, why should we keep score this way?</p>
<p>As someone who's a student and Yale and knows several Oxford current/former students, here are what seem to be the three main differences:</p>
<ol>
<li><p>Liberal Arts: At Yale, you not only CAN take classes outside of your major, you HAVE to. I personally love doing it, but that's not for everyone. At Oxford, you study your major, and only your major...nothing else. In other words, if you're an engineering major you won't be taking classes in English or art history.</p></li>
<li><p>Setup of Classes: At Yale, it's a very "typical" American college experience...you go to lecture or section or seminar with other students and have a lecture or discussion led by a prof. At Oxford, classes aren't set up like that...you spend a lot of time studying on your own, with guidance from professors in your department (as far as I understand).</p></li>
<li><p>College Life: Once again, Yale has a very "typical" college experience...lots of extracurriculars, football games, volunteering, parties, etc. From what I have gathered from friends at Oxford, that isn't really the case there...</p></li>
</ol>
<p>So it REALLY depends on what you're looking for. If you want really focused, individualized coursework, Oxford is great...plus you graduate in only 3 years. But if you're looking for a liberal arts, "college" experience, you'd probably like Yale better.</p>
<p>As for Cornell, I know for a fact that Yale has no business program for undergraduates, and I believe the same is true for Harvard, Princeton, and Columbia. H, C and Y do for postgrads, but as most know a school's graduate program strength sometimes says little or nothing about its undergrad programs!</p>