<p>Is it easy/possible to double major in both L&S: Computer Science (I'm guessing EECS would probably be even harder) and Business at UCB? I know that both programs are among the toughest in the university, so do you think it is possible to do both while having a social life and staying sane? If not, how about minoring in Business? Also, is there a lot of bureaucracy that needs to be passed through before such an arrangement can be made? Are there certain academic requirements? I'm mostly interested in Computer Science, but I was wondering about my possibilities in Business at UCB. Thanks in advance.</p>
<p>I asked this question previously and I believe the answer is no. However, I also recently found out there's a CS minor that involves 7 classes at Berkeley:
<a href="http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/Peer/minor.shtml%5B/url%5D">http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/Peer/minor.shtml</a></p>
<p>... If I'm reading this right.</p>
<p>But if someone does think it's possible to double in CS and BA, I'd be interested as well. I'll have something like 42 AP credits at Berkeley, BTW.</p>
<p>CS is pretty difficult. I know two friends who are majoring in it, and projects take upwards of 30+ hours in some lower division classes(EACH project). I'm sorry to say it, but they don't have a life outside of classes. Now, this is not representative of all students, but just expect to work hard if you want your B's (yes, B's).</p>
<p>Business itself is difficult to get into, let alone both CS and Business. Possible though.</p>
<p>I thought entering undergrads can't technically have a business concentration because you can't apply for the business school until junior year...</p>
<p>there stopped being a minor in business in 2004 (space issues)</p>
<p>what are you trying to do with these degrees?</p>
<p>Of course it can be done, but I think it would be extremely challenging. I think you'll be able to make that decision and whether it's right for you after a semester or two of taking Berkeley classes. </p>
<p>There used to be a business minor but they got rid off that, unfortunately. You can still unofficially 'minor' by enrolling in Haas courses, which I know a lot of students do. This means that if you decide to, for example, apply for an internship at a techology consulting firm, then you can put relevant business coursework on your resume and that will indicate to them that you have some business knowledge.</p>
<p>cppdev:</p>
<p>First of all, EECS is not harder than CS, as the classes are the same (give or take a few requirements).</p>
<p>Second, are you interested mostly in entrepreneurship? If that's the case, check out CET: <a href="http://cet.berkeley.edu%5B/url%5D">http://cet.berkeley.edu</a>. I'm currently enrolled in Engineering Entrepreneurship, a CET course. Doubling in business, with your interests, you'd probably be learning way more about things you don't care about than things you do.</p>
<p>Thanks for the input calstudent et al. CET looks to be what I really wanted to get out of the business classes: training in management and on how to start and run a successful venture. Plus it requires only 4 courses, so it hopefully won't put too much strain on me academically. Before I was afraid that it would be too hard to learn this kind of stuff @ UCB while focusing on CS, so I was considering schools like CMU, but now I see that it's pretty easily doable.</p>
<p>cppdev:</p>
<p>Yeah, I'd say that the CET is definetely what you're looking for. And there's nothing to worry about academically; you simply get a certificate if you'll fulfilled the unit requirement. There's no applying to be a part of the program or anything like that, and if you decide not to take any or all the courses, then you just won't :). It's not a major, so there's no burden.</p>
<p>I do want to make a few things clear, though. It only requires 2 full courses (plus 2 extra units). It's just an 8 unit requirement, and it's not as if the certificate actually means much. I assume that students who pursue a degree at Haas do learn more about management and entrepreneurship than can be learned from 2 core courses, but it's probably not a huge difference, given that they are also learning about finance, accounting, economics, etc.</p>
<p>What does CMU offer that would enable you to take more business classes?</p>
<p>CET courses are part of the IEOR cirriculum. Look into IEOR as well, it's a fantastic major that not too many students know about.</p>
<p>unlimitedx:</p>
<p>Actually, the primary CET course, Engineering Entrepreneurship (IEOR 190A), is not a part of the IEOR curriculum. CET courses are actually business classes that use "IEOR" for scheduling purposes. There is some politics involved in that; I'm not aware of the details.</p>
<p>But yes, IEOR seems like a very interesting major. I work with Ken Goldberg, an EECS and IEOR professor, and the IEOR students are always talking about cool optimization problems :).</p>
<p>Hahaha. I meant it in the sense that they satisfy IEOR electives, which makes up the required cirriculum for IEOR :)</p>
<p>thanks for the fact though! which other IEOR professors have you encountered? all the ones i have come across are pretty cool</p>
<p>He's the only IEOR professor I've met. Are you IEOR?</p>
<p>First of all, the pre-reqs for Business Administration and EECS/CS are so numerous and overlap so little that I really don't think it's possible to finish them in two years, even with summer. Also, that means you would have to be enrolled in both Haas and CoE/L&S and I'm not sure how that would work out. You could maybe minor in CS.</p>
<p>I can definitely confirm what unlimitedx said. The projects average around 25 hours each, and homework around 10 hours each. (This is for 61C with Dan Garcia.) On top of that, there are about 100 pages of dense, technical material to read every week. The workload is beyond ridiculous.</p>
<p>EECS is harder than CS. We have to take the same CS 61 series in addition to Math 53-54, Physics 7A-7B, and EE 20/40. I've been noticing that with roughly the same amount of preparation before exams, I always score about one decile higher on my EE exams than on my CS exams. I'm thinking maybe it's because all those darn CS majors only have to take one tech class (CS), whereas the EECS majors have to take 2-3 (one EE, one CS, and one math/physics). At least EECS majors earn a B.S. degree, not a B.A.</p>
<p>Actually for lower division, EECS isn't that much more than CS. The only differences are Physics 7A, 7B, and EE20. CS majors have to take EE42, which is basically the same as EE40 (it actually is the same this semester because they combined EE40/42/100 into the same course). Both have to take CS 61 series. Both have to take Math up to 54. Well... actually CS majors don't have to take 53, but they do have to take CS70 / Math55.. so its about equal concerning math..</p>
<p>EECS students also have to take Math 55 or CS 70.</p>
<p>As for EE 42, look at this histogram:
<a href="http://inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/%7Eee40/sp07/40homeworks/Midterm1-Histogram.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~ee40/sp07/40homeworks/Midterm1-Histogram.pdf</a>
EE 42 students performed the worst out of the three groups, meaning an easier "A"
I encountered some very tough competition last year in EE 40.</p>
<p>Also, to my knowledge, CS students don't have to take Engineering 190 (Technical Communication).</p>
<p>Sure, it's possible to do well in EECS alongside the L&S CS students. But they have a huge advantage in terms of time they can devote to core coursework, which is quite necessary in 61C this semester.</p>
<p>I've heard that it's really hard to transfer from L&S: CS to CoE: EECS. Both are impacted majors. How hard exactly is it? Do you need a 4.0 or something your first year?</p>
<p>Well in your first two years you're not really a declared CS major, so you're technically in L&S undeclared, and from L&S it is pretty hard to transfer into EECS. It used to be really tough before the dot-com bust but now it's gotten a little easier. The GPA cut-off is around a 3.5, which with all the EECS pre-reqs isn't easy to get.</p>