<p>It’s also important to take into account that the Cisco outsourcing article was publsihed over a year before Obama raised taxes on overseas profits, so Cisco’s CEO is full of it.</p>
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<p>No you’re the one that’s full of it. Chambers made the comments on the commitment to hire ten percent more in the US at the last earnings announcement. Which was in the last three weeks.</p>
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<p>This poor guy is just a dweeb looking for attention. He lies his ass off just to get attention.</p>
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<p>You’re full of it and yourself. People need to hear the truth; not your crap.</p>
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<p>I see, you’re a bigot.</p>
<p>Oh, so I’m a bigot because I am unwilling to move to a foreign country half way on the other world that has the 6th highest rate of terrorism in the world? That’s a good one. Nobody talks about it much, but the fact is that India is actually a dangerous country.</p>
<p>[Iraq</a> has top terror risk, India sixth - ranking | Reuters](<a href=“Reuters | Breaking International News & Views”>Reuters | Breaking International News & Views)</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.indianexpress.com/news/india-among-20-most-dangerous-places-to-visi/392539/[/url]”>http://www.indianexpress.com/news/india-among-20-most-dangerous-places-to-visi/392539/</a></p>
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<p>Barack Obama: More deaths in his own backyard of Chicago than in Iraq. Amazing.
Submitted by La_Verdad on Thu, 2008-09-04 18:50.</p>
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<p>This has been a terrible summer in Barack Obama’s own district of Chicago.</p>
<p>There have been more murders and deaths in Obama’s own backyard and district than in the Iraq during the summer.</p>
<p>[125</a> Shot Dead In Chicago Over Summer - cbs2chicago.com](<a href=“http://cbs2chicago.com/local/chicago.summer.shootings.2.810166.html]125”>CBS Chicago - Breaking News, First Alert Weather, Exclusive Investigations & Community Journalism)</p>
<p>I work with a lot of people from India. They often go back home and live there for a while. Maybe they live in safe areas. Maybe terrorism reports are overblown. There are a bunch of murders ever year in the city where my son goes to college. There was a double murder home invasion last year three blocks from his apartment. Teenagers shoot handguns and automatic weapons randomly at buildings in other areas of the city.</p>
<p>Has anyone ever flown a jet into a populated building in India?</p>
<p>I’ve been to third-world countries. There are lots of places with lots of problems. I’m surprised that someone that claims expertise in outsourcing hasn’t even been to outsourcing countries.</p>
<p>Bigot sounds appropriate.</p>
<p>So why aren’t you moving to India if it is such a great place?</p>
<p>I have a job in an area where my kids are both going to college. I am not a citizen or resident of India nor do I have relatives that are. My plans for migration do include Singapore (my wife grew up there when it was part of Malaysia, a third-world country) and Australia where we have connections.</p>
<p>I have a friend and his son is the development manager for a software company in Australia. He has to travel a lot to Asia. He’s planning on moving to Brazil soon as his girlfriend lives there. The modern employee has to be internationally mobile to get the best in opportunities.</p>
<p>I do know engineers that moved back to India and China for the opportunities there. Many of my relatives are expatriates in various countries. You go to where the opportunities are. The US has been spoiled for a long time with a lot of opportunities. There are still a lot of opportunities here but that doesn’t mean we’re the hottest around. Unemployment in Australia is 5.4% - this in the middle of a global recession. There are other countries out there that are doing well too. Don’t be so narrow-minded.</p>
<p>The average American worker cannot simply pick themselves up and move abroad. For starters, there is a language barrier. </p>
<p>Also, I am not surprised that Australia has low unemployment, as they have a very tough immigration policy.</p>
<p>My previous statement may have been a bit too harsh but I still think engineers in the US these days need to be more flexible (in terms of pay, location - at least within the US, and benefits). The years of US as the sole engineering superpower are ending (though in academia, the US is still the undisputed leader). I never meant to imply that Americans have to move to India. </p>
<p>I mean, outsourcing is somewhat unfortunate in quite a few ways (by the way, I am for most practcal purposes, including citzenship, an American despite my username - no need to bash India):
- Americans pay a lot in college tuition with the expectation to earn back a high salary and pay their loans
- Americans do not know how to speak other languages
- Americans are wary about selling property and even moving to other locations in the US where they are jobs because of the housing market
- Americans are used to a very high standard of living that far exceeds those of other countries elsewhere.</p>
<p>But things are changing due to outsourcing and illegal immigrants who are willing to work for no benefits and low pay. This is not something I enjoy, but still, it is happening. I think eventually, for the most part, global standards of living will equalize and the US workers of a given occupation will live similarly to foreign workers in the same jobs. If this happens, US standards of living will drop and foreign standards will rise.</p>
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<p>People from all over the world come to work in the United States. How do you think they survive? People from the US go to countries all over the world with few exceptions. How do you think they survive? Have you ever worked in a company with a lot of people from around the world? You seem like the stereotypical isolationist American.</p>
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<p>It’s amazing how you are able to construct such idiotic statements that are idiotic in multiple dimensions. Didn’t you have to take an economics course in your undergrad?</p>
<p>It is much easier for someone who speaks no English to survive in the US then for someone who only speaks English to survive abraod. In Mexico, for isntance, there is no “Dial 1 for Spanish, Dial 2 for English.”</p>
<p>“I still think engineers in the US these days need to be more flexible (in terms of pay, location - at least within the US, and benefits”</p>
<p>So engineers should be willing to take low paying jobs with no benefits? Well, after spending a few weeks on these forums, I can safely say that, financally speaking, engineers are the least motivated people there are. You would NEVER hear a lawyer say that lawyers should be more flexible in accepting lower pay. You would NEVER hear a teacher say that teachers should be more flexible in accepting fewer benefits.</p>
<p>No offense, but it is attitudes like your as to why inflation adjusted salaries for engineers are falling.</p>
<p>“It’s amazing how you are able to construct such idiotic statements that are idiotic in multiple dimensions. Didn’t you have to take an economics course in your undergrad?”</p>
<p>How is that a stupid statement? I don’t lnow of too many open border countries with low unemployment.</p>
<p>Hey Homer, lol you’re STILL here talking crap about engineers?! I remember seeing you ■■■■■ baiting threads over a year ago. XD</p>
<p>Nice to see you’re still at it. What’s your major anyway? You seem to be quite vindictive.</p>
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<p>Australia is a resource country. I have many investments there and keep an eye on business metrics. Gold is at $1290/ounce. It was $250 ten years ago. Australia is a big gold producer. Duh.</p>
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<p>What a moronic statement. The best way to learn a language is by immersion. You get dumped in a foreign country and you figure it out.</p>
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<p>I guess that you didn’t listen to the law school grad at Obama’s Town Hall this week.</p>
<p>My sister worked in a law firm for 15 years - it specialized in M&A on the West Coast.
Last year they closed up shop. All of the jobs - gone. Not a problem for her - she’s
independently wealthy. She’s an accountant.</p>
<p>A lot of lawyers work as clerks and other public jobs that don’t pay particularly well.</p>
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<p>Ever pay a property tax bill? Ever work on a school board or in school administration and have to cut the budget? A lot of cities and towns have been going through that exercise for the last several years. The usual approach is to ask the union if they will take concessions - health care, salaries, etc. If they say no, which they do most of the time, a number of the get laid off. Sometimes they are replaced with cheaper teachers of which there are many. In my local city I think that they had a few hundred applicants for each open position at a recent job fair looking for teachers.</p>
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<p>What’s amazing is that you are so clueless in so many ways in so many subjects.</p>
<p>“Not a problem for her - she’s
independently wealthy. She’s an accountant.”</p>
<p>Most lawyers are not rich despite the way they are portrayed by the media. There’s an article in the Huffington Post about a lawyer with $175k in debt who works in a pizzaeria. When someone has 6 digits in NON DISCHARGEABLE debt, they cannot afford to work in a low paying job. </p>
<p>“A lot of lawyers work as clerks and other public jobs that don’t pay particularly well.”</p>
<p>Because they have to. It’s not by choice. </p>
<p>“Sometimes they are replaced with cheaper teachers of which there are many.”</p>
<p>Not in NYC. The rules are last one hired, first one fired. Seniority and seniority alone dictates who gets laid off.</p>
<p>“I guess that you didn’t listen to the law school grad at Obama’s Town Hall this week.”</p>
<p>And I bet you did not hear about the law school professor who recently argued that people like him who make more than $250k a year should not pay higher income taxes:</p>
<p>[We</a> are the Super Rich - Grasping Reality with Both Hands](<a href=“Grasping Reality on TypePad, by Brad DeLong”>We Are the Super Rich)</p>
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<p>So why are you saying that lawyers have it better than engineers? The law profession is saturated. Legal work is getting outsourced.</p>
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<p>Lots of folks go into a major with poor job prospects for undergrad and then decide to go into law for the money. Not necessarily because they want to work in the legal profession. The legal profession is also good at working the political angles getting legislation passed that generates more work for the legal profession. It is a parasite of society leeching off the productive parts. Kind of like the banking system. Both have the lobbyists that craft laws to maximize their fees.</p>
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<p>And you’re saying that people should go into teaching because they are the last to be able to find a job? Seniority in NYC schools is hurting the kids the most. But the unions don’t really care about that. Must be a wonderful environment to work in.</p>
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<p>I was responding to your assertion that lawyers are immune to the variations in the labor marketplace. Your statement is incompetent, irrelevant and immaterial. The law school professor does not work in the legal profession and the issue of income taxes has nothing to do with the job prospects of engineers.</p>
<p>Why Homer? Why must you do this? Can you not leave the damn boards! I am so annoyed with you man. Give it a break…</p>
<p>Just answer every single post with reasoned logic and analysis. Homer is so clueless that making him look like an idiot is easy. Or come up with a FAQ about Homer and post it as a reply whenever he posts.</p>
<p>No, the only thing stupid is telling people they should pick themselves up and move half way around the world to work for a fraction of their old salary.</p>