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<p>You mean they retain their idealism and generosity of spirit or they sell their souls for money?</p>
<p>Are those who work their way through college more conservative than those who don’t have to?</p>
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<p>had to make it personal…huh?..I guess you are not one of the tolerant ones.</p>
<p>BTW, you just ripped Consolation who was agreeing with you…lol</p>
<p>Of the top 25 private national universities and LACs, the conservative ISI (collegeguide.org) gives the green light to only 2 that are located in the Northeast: Princeton and MIT. The other Ivies, JHU, Georgetown, CMU, the NESCAC and Philadelphia-area Quaker colleges … all get yellow or red.</p>
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Connecticut College CT
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<p>“the conservative ISI (collegeguide.org)”</p>
<p>So are liberal students meant to exchange the red and green lights? ;)</p>
<p>Who are you quoting, geeps? Can’t find it anywhere…</p>
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<p>I know liberal families that look for red lights. I think it’s a good idea if a liberal college/U is what one is seeking, esp if one doesn’t want conservatives around.</p>
<p>Otherwise, I finally got around to looking at the FIRE site. I don’t think I’ll be using that one. I’m center right - meaning I do think there are times speech needs to be limited and some of their “caution” lights seem, well, normal to me. FIRE seems to solely be interested in freedom of speech. I’m much more interested in the rest of conservative beliefs (smaller gov’t, more private business, strong work ethic).</p>
<p>To each our own.</p>
<p>I would think if you looked for a school with Young Republicans active group or similiar, that would help.</p>
<p>I think these lists are silly, especially if the school is fairly large. For somebody to choose Princeton over Yale because it is more “conservative” would be nuts, in my opinion. Perhaps if you were torn between Sewanee and Reed, it might be helpful.</p>
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Now that would be an interesting person to meet. :)</p>
<p>Intellectual liberals are often very tolerant of people with opposing viewpoints. So going to a “liberal” college could just be a good chance to have lively debates.</p>
<p>I have found that those to the far left and those to the far right are the least tolerant of opposing viewpoints. I prefer talking/debating with people that are “left of center”, center, and “right of center.” When you get to the far ends of either spectrum, it can be a problem.</p>
<p>GaDad…he’s not asking for a school like you’ve described. Be fair.</p>
<p>*My son was a Republican at Penn and found it to be OK. Wharton helps with that. *</p>
<p>So, will you change your screenname to MomofWildGOPartyChild. :)</p>
<p>Still trying to understand this college guide thing. Does a green light mean open to a conservative opinion…i.e. you can be conservative on this campus and find peers or does it mean the campus is conservative?</p>
<p>My very liberal son is a freshman at Princeton. Let me tell you that this is not a conservative student body. For instance, it was voted one of the most gay friendly campuses in the country. I would say however, that the full range of political views are present on campus so perhaps this is what the website is getting at.</p>
<p>The lights all seem very arbitrary and inconsistent to me. I think the sight is doing parents on both ends of the political spectrum a disservice.</p>
<p>Holy Cross is very conservative.</p>
<p>The green light means free speech student harassment of students is allowed; yellow means federal law restricting harassment must be followed (re posts #33 & 34).</p>
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<p>The green light on ISI’s site means a conservative can go there and not be discriminated against because of their views. Yellow means caution - in some areas there may be discrimination. Red means they aren’t likely to feel comfortable nor accepted and may be discriminated against in many areas.</p>
<p>Fire’s site appears to be solely on absolute free speech.</p>
<p>The sites are different.</p>
<p>“*The green light on ISI’s site means a conservative can go there and not be discriminated against because of their views. *”</p>
<p>It also means that there are no free speech or behavior limits (that FIRE deems significant) on conservatives’ (since the site is directed toward conservatives) ability to verbally or sexually harass other students.</p>
<p>The ISI and FIRE sites do have different criteria, though they both use a red-yellow-green rating system.</p>
<p>As Creekland points out, FIRE seems to be interested mainly in free speech, in particular in issues raised by so-called “speech codes”. The FIRE site points out that their staff spans the political spectrum from left to right. I think some conservatives might be uncomfortable with (or indifferent to) some of the FIRE positions. Should a college not have any authority to enforce standards of respectful speech on its campus? </p>
<p>The ISI site is more clearly conservative but its concerns are broader. Its FAQ page states,
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<p>They tend to focus a lot on curriculum structure. They like Core programs with required courses in American History and Western Civilization. They are not keen on the Open Curriculum model. They also address levels of tolerance toward conservative opinion. To their credit, they seem to be fairly generous in pointing out strengths even of the “red light” schools (such as Swarthmore, this week’s featured school).</p>
<p>I like the Core Curriculum model, too, but keep in mind that under an Open Curriculum, you’re generally free to study as many Dead White Males as you like.</p>
<p>Correct me if I’m wrong, but my belief is that ISI handles their lights solely based on politics and how comfortable a conservative will be there (plus any discrimination possibilities). Their text most definitely talks about curriculum, lifestyle and more and is well worth reading to consider “fit.”</p>
<p>However, an Open Curriculum place like U of Rochester still gets a green light when it comes to politics - not because everyone there is conservative, but because a conservative shouldn’t have “issues” there.</p>
<p>I could be wrong. I haven’t extensively looked at the site - just schools my offspring have been interested in.</p>
<p>Fire’s site is totally different and not at all helpful for my “needs.”</p>
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<p>I love how you cite reasons for editing your posts, but could you please explain why you felt the need to “add FIRE caveat, sexually”?
If there is a sexy way to add a caveat into an internet message board discussion, I’d love to see it.</p>