<p>Tufts and CMU don’t have nearly as clear data as Cornell so basically comparing these percentages is useless (sigh if it only were that easy). </p>
<p>So this does not eliminate Cornell from my list! As for choosing the wrong school, that’s not a big deal at all. I applied to engineering because I am better at math and science and I’m more interested in them. 15% of Cornell students transfer schools at some point so Monydad is basically saying that they shouldn’t have been allowed to go to Cornell (people are never 100% sure about what they want to do and Cornell is not admitting its students based on how consistent students are with their intended majors). Monydad its not for you to decide whether students belong at Cornell. That job is for the admission committee. I don’t even know what role you are trying to play. You’ve been very useless and in fact even detrimental to my decision since you were trying to convince me that comparing premed to med percentages is an accurate way to assess how good a fit a school is. I once again plead you to stop posting in this thread! I’m not even 100% sure I don’t want to do engineering. With more information I will be able to better assess the situation and make a more educated decision. </p>
<p>So my next question is: How much writing/english do you do as an engineer after FWS? You need 1 year of english for premed right? So after my freshmen writing seminar am I done with english/writing as an engineer? </p>
<p>Also what engineering major at Cornell complements the premed track the most? Also how do the research opportunities/ ecs compare for a school as large are cornell with so many students vs a smaller school with less students competing for research opportunities? </p>
<p>How does the psychology major at CAS compare with the biology major in terms of difficulty, amount of premeds, and overall strength of the department? </p>
<p>I am still hoping to gain more information when I attend a “Cornell Day.” I’ve only seen a tour campus. I was hoping to get as much information here as I can so when I go to a Cornell Day I’ll have better questions to ask (namely those questions that can’t be answered here).</p>
<p>“Secondly, as I understand the situation, it is essentially impossible to compare med school success rates between universities because there are different standards at play that effect what proportion of applicants are effectively weeded out prior to even applying to med school. At some universities the pre-med committee will not give enthusiastic recommendation letters to marginal or lower candidates, so those people do not even apply to later get rejected.”</p>
<p>This statement is extremely true. Advisories will basically discourage students to even apply to med school if they are anywhere near poor quality to increase their med school acceptance. I have friends at Cornell who have said they basically tell any student to apply regardless.</p>
<p>Essentially it comes down to this. I’ve never seen a pre-med student who studied well and had an extreme passion for being a doctor not succeed in doing so at Cornell. You should however actually like Cornell before you make a decision.</p>
<p>Monydad has at least one kid who has attended Cornell and may even be an alum himself from what I have gathered on threads over time. He is quite knowledgeable about Ithaca, Cornell and lots of the college application stuff.</p>
<p>He IS trying to help which is what you asked for on this thread. I did too. If someone posts and answer that you don’t like or agree with you tend to " shoot the messenger." Most of us parents who take the time to post on here do it because we want to help the young people on this thread. There are other things that we can be doing with our time, so I think you should at least be appreciative that someone takes the time to answer in a detailed fashion on this thread.</p>
<p>Here is what I think ( and I think what Monydad was saying): You really want to go to med school and that trumps everything for you in choosing a college. Cornell IS very challenging because of the high quality students that attend here and the demanding curriculum. CAS and COE are very competitive. Getting As here is not easy. My D had the second highest grade in her chemistry class and got a B+. She had a math class where 38% of the students did not pass. For the same amount of effort, you may find that you have higher grades elsewhere. GPA is a very important piece of med school admissions criteria. And, because you will be spending 4 years working your tail off to prepare, you should really love where you are attending. There was nothing in your emails that indicated that Ithaca and Cornell holds any special appeal for you. So, go where you can most easily achieve your goals. That place is probably not Cornell.</p>
<p>I would also add, I would seriously consider going to whichever school is cheapest as you will need your $$ for medical school.</p>
<p>And, I think for med school admissions they want to see engagement in the medical profession in some ways. There will be lots more options of that sort in Boston where there are tons of hospitals (or Pittsburgh where UPMC is located) than in Ithaca.</p>
<p>Really? Because from what he has posted it doesn’t seem that he is at all helpful. All he keeps saying is not to go to Cornell because I don’t deserve it. He hasn’t offered much information about Cornell at all, which is really all I care about.</p>
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<p>If you actually read my posts you would see that I asked him not to help me. </p>
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<p>I don’t think there are better things that he could be doing with his time or you since I already told him to stop posting on this thread and he still posted after it. And I already said I appreciated your input along with everyone elses (please don’t post unless youve read all of my posts and everyone elses posts). I find it very annoying when people skim around and post some totally irrelvant garbage that just takes away from collaborative discussion which is basically what this post and posts that aren’t about my topic are doing (so why am i posting this? well someone needs to tell you to stop) Btw if you haven’t figured this out yet you should probably not respond to this post or you will be contradicting yourself “There are other things we can be doing with our time”</p>
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<p>By emails Im assuming you meant posts. And you haven’t been reading my posts so how would you know? I’ve already mentioned what I liked about Cornell, but thats not important to this discussion. This discussion is to talk about what I don’t like about it and how people can convince me to disregard what I don’t like (hard premed engineering) or tell me that the engineering premed is difficult and hard (which you have already done! So STOP posting unless you have new information!). </p>
<p>Here are some more questions that I have:</p>
<p>What percentage of engineers at the school of engineering are premeds?
How does the premed advising at CAS compare to that of the engineering school? The engineering website doesn’t even have premed advising while the CAS does!</p>
<p>So the average GPA for CAS is a 3.4? What about COE?</p>
<p>What are the advantages of premed engineering if there are any?</p>
<p>Aside: If you don’t want to help me then don’t but stop posting about it! You’ve pretty much murdered my thread about getting information on Cornell’s premed engineering. I’ve been very detailed on my questions and what I want from this thread and you have yet to answer any of them. For the people who have answered my questions I am very grateful!</p>
<p>^ Based on your antagonistic demeanor in over-reacting to two very well meaning Cornell alums – in a decidedly negative manner – I’ll put a tentative vote in for Tufts…or CMU. If you don’t agree with someone’s well intended post(s) that’s fine, but it’s not OK to expect everybody to respond in some kind of narrow parameter that you have preset in your mind, and then to revile them for having an opinion that might be outside of your one-tracked logic. Also, you’ll need to work on your bedside manner should you ever make it through med school, because if your surprising disrespect in this thread is any indication, you will be served by an adjustment to your interpersonal skills in the direction of collegiality and diplomacy. Dr. House’s methods only work in the never-never land of fictional network television.</p>
<p>Johny1 – hello. You thanked me above so I am one of the people that have tried to help you. I don’t think you will find any specific COE relevant premed info. however, as I think you agreed, from your posts, if you are sure you are pre med, your posts make it clear that Tufts and CMU have way, way higher admit rates. with the numbers you have already secured, I don’t see how or why you would ever want cornell with your admits to tufts or cmu, no matter what anyone says or even if cornell was free. You have gathered all the right information and did a great job at it in terms of learning the schools with the high admit rates to med school… as the numbers you found show, CMU and Tufts are very high up there, many percentage points above cornell. sounds like you should just pick tufts or cmu and pick the one in the best location for you personally. I think if you have any specific COE questions, you should just call cornell. however, I can’t see them (or anyone else) telling you anything that would cause you personally to pick cornell given the numbers you got from Tufts and CMU, which are so much higher. that is my personal opinion. wishing you good luck…</p>
<p>Well meaning cornell alums? Ok Tksmom maybe well meaning but that monydad guy was on another topic scaring off this innocent brown vs cornell student who just wanted some facts. </p>
<p>Even so I still respect monydad, I agree with most of what he has said, but some of the stuff he said I just didn’t like. </p>
<p>I didn’t revile Monydad for posting his opinion I have a problem with him repeatedly posting his opinion. What my real problem is this: I have worked very hard for my Cornell admission and I was very happy when I got my admission. I was ecstatic. I have always been excited for Cornell and I always saw it as a dream school. So when some random guy on the internet tells me not to go there my stomach sinks a little bit. And so fine he told me not to go thats fine. But why does he repeatedly say the same thing over and over I’ve heard it once its ok. </p>
<p>Keep in mind Colm when you make posts like this your actually harming more than just me. So many people google “premed engineering cornell” and this is the topic that they get and they are looking for key information. I am trying to bring it out there because when I googled this I didn’t get enough. So If you have a problem with me so be it but keep this thread concise. I am sorry for offending senior members like monydad and tksmom or whatever but it hurts when someone tells you that you shouldnt go to a school that you were considering going for a long time. That goes for all these schools. I didn’t ask if I deserve going there or not. I simply asked for evaluation and once you have expressed a particular view its fine to say it once and let it sit rather than keep pushing it. </p>
<p>I’m not on here to bicker with anyone. I have no ill feelings towards anyone my goal is simply to come up with a logical evaluation. So I apologize to everyone that I have offended, I’m no Dr. House. Lets leave all personal feelings out. </p>
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<p>Well Englandern, the stats are irrelevant. I can’t compare Cornell’s premed to med acceptance rate with any of these schools. I can’t compare CMU vs Tufts vs Cornell premed with the current stats what we used since they don’t display the same things. Hopefully more data will collect on this thread that will be usable. But so far CMU and Tufts have been very vague on their percentages and are thus not able to be compared to Cornell’s very clear tables and charts. </p>
<p>Wow, I’m choosing amongst the same exact schools for premed engineering. I also have NYU and BU to consider.Right now I’m leaning towards Cornell only because I called there and one of the faculty told me that engineering is not that bad and that if I want I could transfer easily to CAS or CALS (she recommended CALS) as long as my GPA was decent. So I’m going to give Cornell Engineering a shot and if I find it to be very difficult I’ll just switch into another school. I think you should do the same.</p>
<p>Don’t listen to people telling you where you shouldn’t go. No one can know for sure. I was excited when I got accepted too.</p>
<p>As for more information I’ll do my best to post info here as it becomes available. I’ve read through CC for awhile I just haven’t bothered to make an acct until now. But I think you should ask norcalguy he seems to be the most knowledgeable Cornellian that I have come across! Although I don’t think he was an engineering premed. </p>
<p>thanks for the compliment. however, regardless of data skewing, sample size, and other factors, the data you provide showing the pre med acceptance rates is so much higher at CMU or Tufts, that no matter what other factors are not accounted for, there does not seem like any way that the cornell pre med admit rate could ever be anything near as high s the rate at cmu or tufts - they both have such high rates of admission to med school, that even without a breakdown like cornell provides, it seems like cmu and tufts will always be at least about 20% higher in admit rate than cornell - using the data you provide.
I think you get the point.<br>
if I were fortunate enough to have acceptances at tufts, cornell and CMU and was 100% sure about pre med, the choice would be easy, tufts or cmu - depending on which location you like better. my opinion. good luck
that is my opinion</p>
<p>The fact that you imagine my last post as somehow “harming” you makes it clear that you continue to at times misinterpret, and over-react to, anyone who makes suggestions outside of your preconceived notions, and tacit assumptions. Nothing I said should be able to harm you. Quite to the contrary, the intent of my words was exactly the opposite.</p>
<p>Again, good luck to you, wherever you choose to attend.</p>
<p>Thanks man. I am also choosing from other schools but some are out of the question. I didn’t like MIT at all when I visited there so that’s out. Stanford is way too far and I cant be too far away from home right now. </p>
<p>So basically I’d like to go to Cornell, but I also want to be confident that I will get into a good medical school. I’ll hopefully clear up any doubts next week when I go visit again.</p>
<p>I don’t know if you saw my giant post on SDN about CoE reqs… but it’s there.</p>
<p>Today I incidently discovered that this exists: [url=<a href=“http://rso.cornell.edu/emed/]eMed”>http://rso.cornell.edu/emed/]eMed</a> | Society of Premedical Engineers<a href=“I%20am%20a%20compulsive%20bulletin%20board%20reader%20lol”>/url</a> They can probably answer a lot more of your questions than I can.</p>
<p>Engineering is the toughest major, yet you would need high GPA to get into a med school. You are essentially doing yourself a disservice majoring in engineering. Go to a school as easy as possible and major in something as easy as possible, if your goal is med school.</p>
<p>It seems as if you are too focused on the numbers and your future plans (that you aren’t even sure about); you should choose a school because you think you will enjoy your next four years there, while studying subjects you want to study. If you firmly believe in the correlation between high GPA and high med school matriculation, why don’t you apply to your local community college? I’m sure you’d be able to get a higher GPA there than at Cornell CoE. That would be beneficial for everybody; you would stop worrying about Cornell and the kids at Cornell wouldn’t have to deal with the pretentious and condescending child you are. </p>
<p>(I can’t wait to see your overreaction to this post)</p>
<p>^ i think i’ve made it clear. i’m done bickering… take ur instigation elsewhere…</p>
<p>and i’d explain why Cornell or another school is better than a local college but since you’ve already decided that im a “pretentious condescending child” i dont think ud listen to reason.</p>
<p>I was just offering my advice because I got the feeling that you are almost 100% sure you want to go to a college that will set you up best for medical school. You were using numbers, which you yourself found were flawed, to decide which college you want to attend. I also don’t think you’re one to talk about “reason”; you only appreciate posters who say things you want them to say…things that are in your own preconceived notion about getting into medical school. And when someone offers advice that you deem useless, you shut them out and label them as trollers who are trying to discourage you from attending Cornell. If you are having this hard a time finding good things about Cornell, you probably shouldn’t go.</p>