<p>I've seen those US News rankings for smaller schools before, but I constantly worry about the accuracy of their system. So I thought that someone on CC might have a better idea of how Rose and HMC tend to rank relative to places like Cornell, Ga. Tech, etc.</p>
<p>I would say Cornell is one of the top 10 programs of Engineering. Here's I would rate the top schools of Engineering at the undergraduate level (universities with PhD programs only)</p>
<p>GROUP I:
California Institute of Techology
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Stanford University
University of California-Berkeley</p>
<p>GROUP II:
Carnegie Mellon University
Cornell University
Georgia Institute of Technology
Purdue University
University of Illinois-Urbana Champaign
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
University of Texas-Austin</p>
<p>GROUP III:
Johns Hopkins University
Northwestern University
Pennsylvania State University-University Park
Princeton University
Rice University
Texas A&M University-College Station
University of Wisconsin-Madison</p>
<p>id have to say that i think Pton is better than purdue for engineering...and Utexas</p>
<p>I think Rensselaer should be added to that list, Alexandre.</p>
<p>I think a good ranking is</p>
<p>Elite = MIT, Stanford, Cornell, Berkeley, Princeton, Caltech</p>
<p>very Good = Purdue, UIUC, GaTech, CMU, Michigan</p>
<p>But remember that Purdue and GaTech, while good at engineering specifically, are not really in the same caliber as the other schools overall! e.g. Cornell and Stanford have among the highest ranking grad programs in the Ivy League/Top schools (Medical, Business, Sciences, Math etc)....Purdue is a public school with a very easy entrance criteria for most of its programs. I've heard of people giving up body parts to go to an Ivy League school, but I've never heard anything of the sort for Purdue. </p>
<p>Just because a purdue is good at engineering, it would be a career-threatening mistake to go to purdue versus Princeton/Stanford/Cornell (for example). It simply isn't done, unless someone wants to stay close to home, or pay public school tuition.</p>
<p>Golubb, Michigan Engineering is clearly better than Princeton...somewhat better than Cornell.</p>
<p>but which school looks better on a resume....</p>
<p>I agree 100% with Alexandre except maybe Berkeley should be in group 2 since were mainly talking undergrad</p>
<p>Cornell and Michigan look about the same. I should know... I have both on my resume. </p>
<p>Princeton looks worse than either if it is an Engineer or an engineering company looking at it.</p>
<p>Alexandre: Just wondering which school would you suggest for EE UMich, UT Austin, CMU, UIUC or Cornell</p>
<p>You really cannot go wrong with those schools. For undergrad, I would give the slight advantage to either Cornell or Michigan. At the graduate level, probably to UIUC and Michigan. But all of them are roughly the same from what I hear.</p>
<p>What abt CMU?? I'm really into robotics</p>
<p>cmu is excellent for ee, cs, robotics pretty much anything that deals with comp. and electronics cmu is the best</p>
<p>no u guys are scaring me cuz i didnt apply to any of the grat schools, but ididnt want to go to a big state university or go to california....now im not gonna be sucessful, UGH!</p>
<p>KountingSheep987, you can be very succesful in your life and career and college life without going those schools Alexandre mentioned.</p>
<p>Besides JHU, which schools are (ranking would be better, giving me some reasons would be the best!) great for Biomedical engineering?? (i saw ranking, but i wanna know general consus, as well as college life itself.)</p>
<p>It might be MY problem, but i also think I'd go Pton instead of Purdue, State Universities, CMU, and even maybe GaTech. What do you think, Alexandre?? Is it very ignorant to go to the famous school (and maybe better overall college life) instead of TECH schools??</p>
<p>the only ones on his list that i applied to are Pton and CMU, now im scared....</p>
<p>big state schools are awesome for grad programs. especially michigan. i'm biased of course.</p>
<p>"Cornell and Michigan look about the same."</p>
<p>Well, not really. You've been pushing the University-of-michigan-school-system all over this board, so maybe in your opinion they're equal.</p>
<p>In general though, Cornell is private Ivy league university while the other is a public school system....there are several umiches, some better than others. Besides that, Cornell basically tops University-of-michigan-ann-arbor in almost all other fields and has a much better reputation internationally. University-of-michigan-ann-arbor (the best of the Umichs) is quite a bit behind Berkeley, so it's definitely way behind an Ivy. Don't bother with useless stats or figures...if you ask 20 people, you'll get a better answer!</p>
<p>golubb_u:</p>
<p>"Well, not really. You've been pushing the University-of-michigan-school-system all over this board, so maybe in your opinion they're equal."</p>
<p>The University of Michigan only has 3 campuses. The other two are in Dearborn and Flint and they are not even tier four universities. When someone says "University of Michigan," 99% of the time they are talking about only the Ann Arbor campus.</p>
<p>"University-of-michigan-ann-arbor (the best of the Umichs) is quite a bit behind Berkeley, so it's definitely way behind an Ivy."</p>
<p>Michigan is as good as Cornell, both in engineering and overall. For example, its peer assessment score on USNWR is 4.6/5.0. Cornell's is 4.6 and Berkeley's is 4.8. The Ivy League is only a sports conference. Being in it does not make a school academically better than others.</p>
<p>"if you ask 20 people, you'll get a better answer!"</p>
<p>If those 20 people are academics or recruiters, then they will agree that Michigan is as good as Cornell.</p>
<p>I hate doing this because I actually like Cornell a great deal. I even have a graduate degree from their school of ILR. Golubb, you are wrong, but that is par for the course. You always make sweeping comments that are completely off the mark. </p>
<p>Since getting my MILR, I have changed jobs twice. In all my interviews, my Michigan degree, which is now almost 10 years old, was usually discussed at greater length than my Cornell degree.</p>
<p>First of all, Internationally Cornell and Michigan are held in equal regard. It merely depends who you ask. In Europe, Michigan usually has a better reputation. In Asia, Cornell usually has a better reputation. But both have excellent international reputations anyway. And I speak from experience. I am international and have lived 21 of my 31 years in Europe and the Middle East.</p>
<p>Your point that Michigan is a state university and therefore not as good as Cornell is ignorant at best. First of all, half of Cornell is state funded. Secondly, Michigan may be a state university, but it is also wealthier than Cornell (Michigan's Endowment is currently close to $5 Billion compared to Cornell's 3.5 Billion) and spends as much per undergraduate student as Cornell does.</p>
<p>And I do not know why you even bother mentioning the other Michigan campuses. The Michigan system is made up of one university and two satellite campuses. The Dearborn and Flint campuses are regional colleges. So when people refer to Michigan, they are usually talking about the Ann Arbor campus.</p>
<p>You say; "Besides that, Cornell basically tops University-of-michigan-ann-arbor in almost all other fields". </p>
<p>You are actually wrong in that regard...again. In fact, Michigan and Cornell are mostly equal in most fields. Let us look more closely shall we?</p>
<p>BIOLOGY
Cornell: #14
Michigan: #14</p>
<p>CHEMISTRY
Cornell: #8
Michigan: #21</p>
<p>COMPUTER SCIENCE
Cornell: #6
Michigan: #14</p>
<p>GEOLOGY
Michigan: #5
Cornell: #11</p>
<p>MATHEMATICS
Michigan: #8
Cornell: #10</p>
<p>PHYSICS
Cornell: #7
Michigan: #13</p>
<p>ANTHROPOLOGY
Michigan: #1
Cornell: #13</p>
<p>CLASSICS
Michigan: #3
Cornell: #12</p>
<p>ECONOMICS
Michigan: #11
Cornell: #17</p>
<p>ENGLISH
Cornell: #6
Michigan: #11</p>
<p>HISTORY
Michigan: #5
Cornell: #10</p>
<p>PHILOSOPHY
Michigan: #4
Cornell: #16</p>
<p>POLITICAL SCIENCE
Michigan: #2
Cornell: #20</p>
<p>PSYCHOLOGY
Michigan: #2
Cornell: #15</p>
<p>SOCIOLOGY
Michigan: #3
Cornell: #14</p>
<p>ENGINEERING: (Undergraduate)
Michigan: #7
Cornell: #10</p>
<ul>
<li><p>Aerospace:
Michigan: #3
Cornell: #12</p></li>
<li><p>Biomedical
Michigan: #8
Cornell: unranked</p></li>
<li><p>Chemical
Michigan: #9
Cornell: #15</p></li>
<li><p>Civil:
Michigan : #8
Cornell: #9</p></li>
<li><p>Computer Engineering
Michigan: #6
Cornell: #9</p></li>
<li><p>Electrical
Michigan: #5
Cornell: #9</p></li>
<li><p>Environmental
Michigan: #3
Cornell: #11</p></li>
<li><p>Industrial
Michigan: #3
Cornell: #15</p></li>
<li><p>Materials
Michigan: #4
Cornell: #6</p></li>
<li><p>Mechanical
Michigan: #2
Cornell: #9</p></li>
<li><p>Nuclear
Michigan: #4
Cornell: Unranked</p></li>
</ul>
<p>BUSINESS (undergraduate)
Michigan: #3
Cornell: #14</p>
<p>I will not list the sub-departments in the Business filed because Cornell is still unranked in most of them, so it would look disproportionate.</p>
<p>GRADUATE ENGINEERING:
Michigan: #8
Cornell: #10</p>
<p>MBA PROGRAM:
Michigan: #6 and #10 (Businessweek and USNWR respectivaly)
Cornell: #7 and #14</p>
<p>LAW SCHOOL:
Michigan #7
Cornell: #12</p>
<p>MEDICAL SCHOOL:
Michigan: #7
Cornell: #12</p>
<p>Like I said, in terms of rankings, they are about the same. In fact, Michigan is ranked ahead of Cornell in 16 of the 21 fields listed above (and in one of the remaining five fields, Biology, Michigan and Cornell are tied). Michigan is also ranked ahead of Cornell in all of the subfields listed above.</p>