<p>Does anyone know the percentage of admits to Umich who are out of state but domestic? Even better would be that stat for the engineering college.</p>
<p>I'm considering Umich for engineering and its student profile is not commensurate with its ranking. It is comforting in a sense since I will get say, 100-200 points above the SAT avg, but I fear a catch. Same for even Berekeley and the other top public schools.</p>
<p>The 25-75 for Berkeley is:
Verbal: 580-710
Math: 630-740
Writing: 620-760
Overall: 1830-2210
The overall is more not statistically accurate as it is more extreme probably, but still.
And for Umich:
Under old SAT 1330. With new, 2000?</p>
<p>Unlike Cal or UTA, which have fewer than 10% out of State, about 30% of Michigan's undergrads are out of state. So if you can get 100-200 points over the Michigan mean on your SAT and if you have a good GPA and class rank (3.8 unweighed and top 10% of class), you have a decent chance...assumining you apply before November.</p>
<p>Thanks for the reassurance Alexandre. I actually live in California so Berkeley may be an option. Is there much of an academic difference between in and out of staters at berekely?</p>
<p>Also I am considering aerospace engineering but I'm not totally sure. My interests with regards to engineering are working on defense projects and consumer electronics (either one).
Is berkeley worth applying to if I am considering aerospace?
Should I apply engineering undeclared?</p>
<p>I was reading on this board about job instability in the engineering biz, with some companies recruiting foreigners with visas. Are defense industry jobs immune to this?</p>
<p>Some if not all Defense industry jobs require citizenship.</p>
<p>Hey Alex, just noticed you're in Dubai. You live there?</p>
<p>I assume you mean if there is a difference in the qualifications of in-state and out of state students at Cal. Yes, it is more difficult to get into Cal if you are an out-of-stater...but the difference is not that great. It is more a question of odds than quality. In other words, the quality of in-state students at Cal is almost the same as the quality of out-of-state students, but the % accepted is much higher for in-state students.</p>
<p>As for Cal's Aerospace Engineering department...I am not sure if they have one, but if they do, it is not a good one. In California, Stanford and CalTech have top Aerospace programs...and UCSD and UCLA are not bad either. </p>
<p>Defense industry jobs usually go to American citizens, so yes, in some ways, I would say that it is a safer bet. However, there is speculation among economists that the US is going to cut funding to major military contractors and instead, spend more money on more modern and applicable military policies. So the future of companies like Lockheed Martin, Boeing/McDonald Douglas, Raytheon/Hughes etc... . So even the aerospace Engineering field could face turbulent waters over time. </p>
<p>Good aerospace programs to consider would be:</p>
<p>I guess the only oddball there looks to be Michigan....maybe if you placed it after UCLA, it might sound ok...but then again, what do I know of aerospace.</p>
<p>If you're interested in finding out more about Olin, a search of the forum will bring up a number of threads discussing it. For some students, Olin is "IT" - even over MIT, Stanford, UCB etc - small, innovative, hands-on, highly selective, rigorous, etc. and it pays full tuition for all students.</p>
<p>Sorry, but I think Olin is only comparable to Harvey Mudd and Rose-hulman, and it's certainly not at the level of MIT/Caltech/stanford/Cal in terms on selectivity, innovation, etc ...</p>
<p>Hmmm... I think Michigan's faculty/resource for aerospace is not yet up there with the other three. I would still group it with Cornell and Purdue.
But Princeton, Maryland, Illinois suck in Aerospace engineering. Note that this is only based on my opinion, ie. canvassing some of my peers' (aerospace engrg grad students) view on this field.</p>
<p>rtkysg, olin can't have the reputation yet of MIT, Stanford, etc. because it's so new, but in terms of innovation, quality education, hands-on experience, quality of teaching, class size, and many other indicators of an exceptional engineering program, it's right up there. Students looking for the best program for themselves should check it out because it's unique and many kids find it superior to MIT, Cal, Stanford, etc. in terms of the experience/education they want, and it's reputation is growing fast.</p>
<p>That is correct Jeffl, and I think Michigan also had the first Electrical Engineering department. Wohoo!!! LOL</p>
<p>Onlyamom, Olin is not aiming to be another MIT, Stanford, Cal or CalTech...it is aiming to be another Harvey Mudd, Cooper Union and Rose Hulman. At the moment, it has a ways to go. But in time, it could happen.</p>
<p>"but in terms of innovation, quality education, hands-on experience, quality of teaching, class size, and many other indicators of an exceptional engineering program,"</p>
<p>Sorry onlyamom, there're many exceptional indicators that Olin lacks, i.e. its student body's strength is far and away from Caltech, its workload rigor is significantly easier than MIT, its labs and advance technological resources are not comparable to Stanford and it doesn't have top notch research professors like the ones at Cal. It may never ever reach the status of the schools mentioned above regardless how its reputation is proliferating at the moment. Sorry for being candid.</p>
<p>"That is correct Jeffl, and I think Michigan also had the first Electrical Engineering department. Wohoo!!! LOL"
That honor goes to Cornell. I read in a biography of Nikola Tesla that he worked with someone at Cornell, because Cornell had one of/ the only EE program. Cornell's site also says this (I think).</p>