<p>hey everyone, i just enrolled at the hotel school.
which is better:hotel or AEM at CALS????</p>
<p>you can't just ask "which is better" because I am not sure what you mean by better. Honestly Hotel school has a better alumni network but AEM is probably easier to get a higher GPA. You will also probably have a lot more flexibility in AEM. </p>
<p>If you enrolled at the Hotel School, you should attend it and see how you like it. If you are smart and get good grades but hate the program, you can always try to transfer out. </p>
<p>But if you want to do banking or finance, Hotel school has really good placement in terms of jobs too--you just have to work harder.</p>
<p>really? hotel would be better for finance?? i thought AEM was the undergraduate program at cornell??</p>
<p>No, his post would imply that it is slightly tougher for hotelies. Hence, he wrote "you just have to work harder."</p>
<p>I personally don't see the point of enrolling in the hotel school if you are not interested in hospitality at all. But, otherwise, it's a perfectly acceptable route to business, even if the business ends up not relating to the hospitality industry.</p>
<p>symui--honestly, If you are enrolled in either programs you will have the opportunity to work for companies like Goldman Sachs or Morgan and Stanley. However, the question is "what do you want to do?" </p>
<p>I know math and econ majors in arts and science that get ibanking jobs.</p>
<p>PLUS if you already enrolled...then just go with it, whats the worse that can happen? (FYI: I am not going into Hotel operations--or even hotels. But I find the hotel school has an excellent name and prestige that tags along with it [I found a pretty prestigious internship this summer] So seriously..dont worry)</p>
<p>wow..thnx guys, but im js so suprised that the hotel school would be more difficult than AEM...AEM was ranked 4th in the country for undergrad business..so wouldnt it have better networking and job placement?</p>
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<p>Are you referring to courses? That's true depending on how you look at it. In AEM, you have to take those nasty chem, bio, and physics courses since it's in CALS.</p>
<p>Um... I'm in that "alum network" at AEM, and I can tell you that it is incredibly strong. I don't think it's a fair comparison, because although Hotel has a strong alum network and there is a fair amount of alum networking in finance, it is heavily weighted towards the hospitality industry. </p>
<p>That being said, you can find jobs in banking or finance if you graduate from all of the colleges at Cornell. If you want to have a major aligned with your career aspirations, the pre-business tracks at Cornell are: AEM, Hotel, PAM (in Hum Ec) and Econ (in CAS). The only undergraduated accredited business program is AEM. </p>
<p>Also, I agree with yousonofatree, the distribution requirements in CALS are much harder than in Hotel. Take a look at both of them on Cornell's website and decide for yourself.</p>
<p>you will have more flexibility because the hotel school require more classes to be taken in within the hotel school. There are also more cores (they pre-enroll you your first two years for at least 13 credits per semester) you also have cores you are required to take in all facets of the hospitality industry--like restaurant management HA 305. </p>
<p>If you are in AEM, you will have more flexibility to choose more election directly involved in banking or finance. You can still do that within the hotel school (Charles Chang's 429 is probably more popular for non-hotelie than hotelie because it's so helpful and difficult.) but your cores like 236 and all always come first. Like I said before. The hotel school is a hospitality school. You can't go into a hotel school without expectating to taking hotel courses.</p>
<p>"wow..thnx guys, but im js so suprised that the hotel school would be more difficult than AEM...AEM was ranked 4th in the country for undergrad business..so wouldnt it have better networking and job placement?"</p>
<p>That statement is like saying "just because you graduated from harvard, doesn't that guarantee you into the best grad school or best law school." the answer is "no."</p>
<p>You can't really argue AEM is better or worse than hotel because the two schools are dramatically different. Most of my friends good at math and numbers wish they were in AEM because culinary kills their GPA (4 credit course that has a median grade of a B-) Like I mentioned before. I have friends going into ibanking in the hotel school, and I know people unemployed in AEM. College really is what you make of it. If you slack off in AEM or hotel...you wont get a good job by luck (most of the time.)</p>
<p>In terms of alumni. AEM is relatively new in terms of as a business school. You can guess from the title AEM was created to help agricultural business management (hence why its in CALS) but it has evolved greatly since then. I picked hotel because it gave me more flexibility in the hospitality industry. Let's admit it...the economy is going dead. But hospitality is still growing pretty fast...the alum network at the Hotel school is second best in the world right after Harvard business school. But not all of these contacts are finance.</p>
<p>Ok im rambling.</p>
<p>oh also...hotelies are very proud people. If you enrolled already. Be happy with your decision. Seriously, if you go in doubting, your peers can tell.</p>
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In terms of alumni. AEM is relatively new in terms of as a business school. You can guess from the title AEM was created to help agricultural business management (hence why its in CALS) but it has evolved greatly since then.
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I don't have time to give the whole history- I'll do that later, but I wanted to clarify, that AEM is not a new program, it was newly accredited in 2002 by the AACSB. You have had the choice to do a pure business track (and not agribusiness) for many, many years... and I'm dating myself. I'll find the link with the history when I have more time later.</p>
<p>Distributive</a> Electives</p>
<p>here you can decide for yourself....</p>
<p>well, even if i wanted to transfer from hotel to AEM, i would have to wait one full year and the transferring process is pretty hard with no guarantee, right?</p>
<p>I mean again, it depends on your grade. I think AEM is one of the hardest majors to transfer into (so is hotel actually) Both of them have extremely low acceptance rate.</p>
<p>Tahoe...I never said AEM was a new program...I said AEM is relatively new in terms of a major designed strictly for undergrad business related majors. One of my close acquaintances graduated from AEM about 27 years ago. He claimed it was a very different program back then--and not nearly as many people graduated out of AEM did finance related things as they do today.</p>
<p>I posted this a long time ago... perhaps this will shed some light on the history.<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/217543-post16.html%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/217543-post16.html</a></p>
<p>From the Cornell Chronicle 1/24/02 <a href="http://www.news.cornell.edu/Chronicle/02/1.24.02/AEM_accred.html:%5B/url%5D">http://www.news.cornell.edu/Chronicle/02/1.24.02/AEM_accred.html:</a></p>
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At the end of the first site visit over three years ago, Paul Danos, dean of the Amos Tuck School of Business Administration at Dartmouth College, said, "I can't believe a program this good has existed so long and so completely escaped my attention."
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<p>and... this is a great quote about AEM being a "new/old" program!</p>
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John Kraft, dean of the Warrington College of Business Administration at the University of Florida, said that while the educational program has existed for over 90 years, this accreditation makes AEM the "newest 'oldest' business degree program" to become accredited in the United States.
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<p>The following quote holds true today! Great prediction... now if he could only predict the economy!</p>
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"We are confident [AEM] can become a top 10 undergraduate business program based on student quality, faculty and the Cornell environment," wrote Kraft and Richard Cosier, dean of the Krannert Schools of Management at Purdue University, in their final report to the AACSB International's board of directors.
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<p>Thanks for finding the history.</p>
<p>Apple - regarding your friend who attended Cornell 27 years ago...</p>
<p>Having degrees from two business “programs” – one for graduate and one for undergraduate - and remaining an involved alum at both, I feel somewhat qualified to respond. </p>
<p>I can tell you the tone and focus of business schools in general have changed over past 30 or so years… particularly in i-banking and consulting. In fact, back then, it was unusual to go into those fields - they were considered "up and coming" fields. I have my own theory about the next hot business careers, but I don't want to start an online debate! :)</p>
<p>Much has been written about the changes in business education. I like this academic paper, although it was written primarily about graduate programs (and it was written 6 years ago) a lot of it still holds true. AMLE</a> - The End of Business Schools? Less Success Than Meets the Eye - Vol. 1, No. 1, Sept. 2002</p>
<p>But back to the original topic - Which is better, AEM or Hotel? You have to choose where your interests are, because they are both terrific programs with strong alum connections.</p>
<p>Thank you Tahoe for your post. I absolutely agree with your last comment on where your interests are.</p>
<p>I really hope people know what they are getting into when they want to do "ibanking" I feel like most high-schoolers I talk to have very little idea what I banking is. Quite honestly, most people just know its a prestigious career work that pays extremely well. I doubt I'd even REALLY know what ibanking is or what the career in ibanking involves if I didnt take finance. Like seriously...do some research---I think AEM is a more quantitative program whereas hotel isnt as much. Maybe this will shed some light.</p>
<p>On the side note...I hope I dont come across attacking AEM in any ways. I have alot of respect for some AEM kid--and hotel kids. I respect people that work hard and genuinely do what they love to do because I cant imagine waking up for the rest of my life hating my job. Like I mentioned before, your degree really doesn't matter. I know plenty of math majors going into ibanking and excelling. It all depends on how hard you work, who you know, and your luck</p>