<p>also...Cornell serves beer to students (over 21 of course!) on Slope Day :-D</p>
<p>what other Ivies do that???</p>
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TellETubE, not sure why you're here trying to act superior. Your stats were very easy to find:</p>
<p>640 M 740 W 780 CR
3.66 UW, 4.4 W
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<p>This is pathetic. After all those posts calling Cornellians 'stupid' and 'mediocre'.....Plenty of people at Cornell are at or above this level of scholarly aptitude. Even my stats are far better than this prick's. An athelete, perhaps?</p>
<p>why does it matter how "prestigious" your school is or what your stats are? I know people with perfect scores and stats that got rejected at Cornell. I also know people with no college education that still turned out okay. Bottom line--cornell offers some of the best professors and resources in the world. The rest is up to you.</p>
<p>"Bottom line--cornell offers some of the best professors and resources in the world. The rest is up to you."</p>
<p>Well said!</p>
<p>In both this and the other thread dealing with Cornell being the worst Ivy, many of you consistently sneered at quantitative measures of excellence, with regards to both Cornell as a whole and the Cornell student body. Yet, one of you said this, explicitly stating he's not worthy of his perceived superiority:</p>
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TellETubE, not sure why you're here trying to act superior. Your stats were very easy to find:</p>
<p>640 M 740 W 780 CR
3.66 UW, 4.4 W
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<p>And not one person disparaged this tactic.</p>
<p>dontno... that's kinda what i was touching on in my last post.</p>
<p>People tend to support using certain measures only when it is convenient.</p>
<p>Well, this goes to prove my argument that not everyone at even the most top schools are 'brilliant'. I have 2 friends from h.s. at Stanford, 2 at Yale, and 1 at Harvard (not friend, but she was my classmate) Besides, my cousin and his gf are Yale alums, and my dad holds J.D from H. They all told me that there are indeed brilliant people there, but there are some (about 15-20%) students who are truly average joes in terms of their intelligence, not even counting legacies/athletes, even at HYPS. My cousin, a Yale alum who graduated 3 yrs ago, told me last year that he was surprised to find during his Freshmen year that there were several people whose 'lack' of intellect led him to quesiton "How did people like this get into Yale?" I really pity those who claim that Cornell is the worst ivy since it has some shares of its students who aren't very smart, like some posters around here. I am aware of this. But, Cornell is far from being the only top school, or only ivy, that happens to have students like this. IMO, Cornell is the largest ivy, thus has the largest student body, and it may seem to have more students that aren't that smart compared to smaller ivies. This person, TellETubE, is a classic example of my argument that there are average joes at HYPS as well.</p>
<p>If you question my argument, I sincerely encourage anyone to ask any unbiased HYPS alums or students regarding this matter, like I have. With this being said, I no longer see any necessity for any others to post any ridiculous statements bashing Cornell, esp. those with no solid arguments. (like dontno or muerte) This is a fine school and it is just that.</p>
<p>Never judge a book by his cover. Kids I had no idea were brilliant at Dartmouth got into places like Harvard Law and Yale medical school left and right. Some people just don't wear their intelligence on their sleeve.</p>
<p>what an irony that you are the one saying this.</p>
<p>besides, i am not the one critiquing these average joes at HYPS. my cousin and his gf, both recent Yale graduates, have spent 4 years living and studying with tons of yalies. They specifically told me that there were surprisingly many people who never made anything out of their college experience and were just plain average joes. But, my cousin, who has been recruiting and interviewing college students across U.S. for his company, has told me that the proportion of 'average joes' decreases as the school's rank goes up. He once interviewed kids at Northwestern, and he said that he wasn't so impressed with some people there and he felt that the proportion of these 'average joes' at Northwestern were higher than Yale. </p>
<p>Bottom line is that it is foolish to generalize students' intelligence at a specific school merely based off where he/she goes to college, esp. if you are comparing schools within top 15 or top 20.</p>
<p>Hello: dontno. Let’s have some fun. :)</p>
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many of you consistently sneered at quantitative measures of excellence, with regards to both Cornell as a whole and the Cornell student body. Yet, one of you said this, explicitly stating he's not worthy of his perceived superiority:
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<p>1) The people who are criticizing Cornell were the ones that initially used a few differences in numbers to justify their argument. In response, we’re simply using their own tactic against them. If Yale is better than Cornell because it has a higher rank on U.S. News and World Report, then, obviously Telletube is not an extraordinary student because his stats are not in any way exemplary in Ivy League. In fact, his Math SAT is far below average. </p>
<p>2) Comparing universities and comparing individual people are far different matters. Let’s use some hypothetical examples. You can say that College A has a slightly higher graduation rate, admissions rate, alumni giving, etc. than College B, but you cannot reliably state that College A is better, especially if College B has advantages in other areas. Maybe College B has better medical programs. Maybe College B has a larger campus in a more urban environment; thus, it allows more opportunities for work-study, internships, etc. </p>
<p>On the other hand, telletube is just one person. Unless he had some extenuating circumstances in high school, we can pretty safety say that anyone with a 640 Math SAT and a 3.66 is not a genius and should not be insulting students who probably have higher stats. </p>
<p>Oh, but you’re probably thinking, like the universities, every individual has strengths and weaknesses. Yes, they do. That’s why we shouldn’t compare. However, my point is that there are many more factors involved in determining the excellence of a college than the excellence of a student. </p>
<p>3) Telletube had a 3.66 G.P.A and 640 Math Sat. We are comparing him with students who have near perfect G.P.A.s. and test scores. Big difference. However, there is a very small difference between the colleges at the top of the list. It would be like trying to compare two people with 3.97 and 3.98 G.P.A.s. </p>
<p>4) It is very interesting that you brought this up. If we follow your logic, then either Cornell is inferior to HYP and telletube should shut up or Cornell is not inferior to HYP and telletube is superior to Cornell students. </p>
<p>Neither of these conclusions makes sense. Obviously, you only brought this up to continue to insult Cornell students. :)</p>
<p>Can we stop putting "Cornell" and "Worst Ivy" in the title of threads, even if your purpose is to refute the claim?</p>
<p>I think the argument that "only 25% of people at Cornell deserve to be in the Ivies" comes from kids who went from high school straight to Cornell and really have nothing but their perception of what an "Ivy League student" should be.</p>
<p>I have worked with (and for) many Ivy League and equivalent graduates since leaving Cornell. Time and again, I have been less than impressed with many graduates of places like Harvard, Yale, MIT, Princeton...</p>
<p>It's just the reality of being human and living in a society in which some have privilege and others do not - some are brilliant, some are far from it. </p>
<p>Plus - as I've said before on this forum - what drags Cornell through the mud with elitists is what makes it a truly incredible top tier institution representative of what all American education should strive to be - providing top-notch study for everyone from farmers to astrophysicists.</p>
<p>That great intellectual scholar George W. Bush graduated Yale.
Enough said. But while I am at it didn't Mr.Spitzer graduate both Princeton and Harvard?</p>
<p>Go Cornell! I know I bashed it before but I really came to appreciate this school more after visiting.</p>
<p>Nice gravedigging…</p>
<p>what changed your mind, chicagobaby? and good luck at chicago =)</p>
<p>People are totally misinformed. HYP students are not smarter/better than Cornell kids! </p>
<p>Last year our high school top student who took all hard cord math and science AP classes goes to Cornell, and #5 who is good in social studies goes to Harvard. </p>
<p>Cornell’s endowed colleges are extremely strong.</p>
<p>Just wanted to add that my two Cornell grads are very happily employed in amazing jobs. One left within the week after graduating for a job in the oil industry in one of the Arab countries. He has a two year contract and negotiated for a private driver. He has a cook making his meals and someone comes in to clean his apartment. My other son landed a job with a IB firm and although he doesn’t have a private driver he is happy with his salary and plans to move to NYC after all of his loans are paid off. Not bad for the “worst Ivy”…whatever that is. </p>
<p>Good luck everyone and if you are going to Cornell ENJOY every minute because it goes by too quickly. One of my sons will be heading up this Friday…he is missing it already.</p>