<p>Does anyone have an idea what this rate would be? Since Cornell's ED+RD acceptance rate is around 18% and Cornell's ED acceptance rate is around 33% rate that means Cornell's RD rate is around 14-15% (around). And I've heard Engineering is more difficult to get into CAS/other schools at Cornell?</p>
<p>Well, if what you say about Cornell’s RD acceptance rate being 15%, then I would assume RD Engineering would be around 10-12%? That’s just a guess, though.</p>
<p>^Fun fact: about 1/3 of the people in engineering scored 800 on the Math SAT.</p>
<p>All the privates are hard for different reasons.
for 2010 fall (nothing up for 2011 yet, so using this since total applicants are similar last 2 years.
<a href=“http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000003.pdf[/url]”>http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000003.pdf</a></p>
<p>art & architecture is hardest statistics wise
cas is second
ilr is third
engineering is probably fourth</p>
<p>art and ilr are hard because of how specific they are/ they look at more than just scores - especially art and architecture
cas is hard because most people apply there and it’s hard to distinguish yourself from other people, and it’s probably there where you need more hooks to actually get in especially if you apply for an overrepresented major. Also hard statistics wise.
engineering is hard too because of the math/science skill that admissions look for in its applicants. The top 25% math scores in the SAT I is 30 points higher than CAS’s (800 compared to cas’s 770). This shows how admissions want people more qualified for this specific field (they want mathy people).</p>
<p>Source:
<a href=“http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000176.pdf[/url]”>http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000176.pdf</a>
enrolled, not accepted</p>
<p>actually based on those numbers CAS has a lower acceptance rate than engineering
CAS 15.36 , eng 21.67, cals 21.17, AAP 14.57, hotel 26.01, HE 31.32, ILR 20.12. The yields vary greatly too.</p>
<p>Combining those 2 links, it seems to me that the engineering applicant pool is more self selecting in nature. Also, just throwing this out there, but a lot of people at my school apply to Cornell CAS because they think it is an easy Ivy to get into even if they are less than qualified when applying. This might have some role in the admission percentage at CAS.</p>
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<p>WongTongTong is correct.</p>
<p>The engineering admission rate at Cornell can be deceptive, because there are simply fewer applicants who are geared for a program with the rigor of a top engineering school (as contrasted with most other disciplines). So, there are somewhat fewer students interested in pursuing engineering, but the applicants are on average at a high level scholastically as compared with the norm in most other majors (physics, math, and chem applicants, etc., however, are on a par in terms of tending to draw consistently excelling students).</p>
<p>As a result, since a college like Cornell Engineering is composed of challenging programs, it is therefore comprised of an advanced self-selecting pool. It receives a relatively smaller number of applicants who tend to be consistently academically advanced – particularly in math.</p>
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<p>Where did you see this?</p>
<p>Also, going along with what Colm said, since Cornell engineering is known to be considerably difficult–well, engineering in general is difficult–, I highly doubt admissions would accept a student who they think would not be able to perform well in CoE, so there seems to be a little less subjectivity in this aspect since all students who are accepted need to be quite strong in both math and science. Whereas, in CAS, this does not need to be the case; that is, a student doesn’t need to necessarily be strong in one or two particular subjects.</p>
<p>Well, looking at those rates from Fall 2010 accepties, the third quartile was at 800… So <em>at least</em> 25% scored 800… The distribution is probably skewed towards the higher numbers anyways, so it would be around 1/3.</p>
<p>I heard it from an admissions officer… granted, they made the statement two years ago, so the statistic may have changed. I’m guessing the proportion has gone up though.</p>
<p>The reality is that all of these schools are hard. Don’t inflate your school over another. All the facts are given up there. Everything else is pretty much mere speculation.
Scores aren’t everything, and being good at super basic math (SAT I) is more of a requirement in engineering than an indicator of something else. If you apply for another of these schools, what they look for differ according to each major. All of these schools waitlist/ reject a good number of 2250+s.</p>
<p>I don’t understand, how is a college with a historical yield rate around 40% “self-selective”?</p>
<p>last years yield was just over 48%</p>
<p>Just like any engineering school, applicants overall tend to be rather solid in/ like the maths and sciences whereas in other schools applicants tend to be rather solid in/ like areas related to their prospective majors.</p>
<p><a href=“http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000147.pdf[/url]”>http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000147.pdf</a>
yield in eng is actually 42% last year. It’s besides the point anyways. Each school is equally “self selective” in its own way.</p>
<p>Cornell engineers tend to have very high stats. For the Class of 2014, 96% of admitted students were in the top 10% of their HS class. For admitted students, mid-50% SATS math 740-800, verbal 670-750.</p>
<p>The Hotel School is tops in the self-selecting category, I think. 26% acceptance rate and 79% yield last year. </p>
<p>Not that I am comparing the two, but that’s a higher yield than Harvard, which was 76%.</p>
<p>Attracting people who know what they want to do, and who want to do it in the top ranked program in the country.</p>
<p>There you go. Same logic.</p>
<p>yields
CALS 64.75%
AAP 61.44
CAS 39.49
Eng 42.09
Hotel 79.15 (WOW)
HE 62.09
ILR 60.71</p>
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<p>As usual behappy7 is right on the mark. Engineering applicants are competing against a pool of applicants that have a consistently high aptitude in science and math. This is a key area where the “self-selectivity” is in play for the engineers. They are competing against an academically tough batch of students. This is why the admit rate is deceptive for them – they are in the midst of a somewhat stacked deck.</p>
<p>i see. fwiw, admissions had a different definition of self-selective, it’s much more in line with redshoe’s statement. At least when I was there it was. Perhaps they’ve revised it, but this is unlikely.</p>