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Plus you get the Ivy League superiority complex. So all in all you'd probably be a more confident person coming out of Cornell.
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<p>But he also enters a new inferiority complex: Cornell is the easiest Ivy to get into.</p>
<p>We will never get out of the complexes unless we go to Harvard or something.</p>
<p>How true. If prone to complexes, one could feel inferior even if going to fine schools like Yale, Stanford, Columbia, etc. If you read all of the Harvard vs. [insert an equivalent school with less amplified reputation] threads, you will see that Byerly and few others make sure of that. "Oh no. You go to Yale. You loser you."</p>
<p>lol to above...so true...</p>
<p>though Cornell is much smaller than UCB, it is still a big school. Since Ithaca is not a huge city, the social scene is central to the university. Cornell does a fantastic job of bringing many concerts to campus, plus on campus activities include bowling, movie theaters, the athletic scene and the greek scene. 700+ student clubs of all sorts. I'd say Cornell has the edge in social scene but UCB has the edge in city scene.</p>
<p>"Pros: Smaller classes, general public considers Cornell better than Berkeley"</p>
<p>Matt, please do a little research.</p>
<p>15 percent of all classes at Berkeley have over 50 students, while 22 percent of classes at Cornell have over 50 students. Likewise, at Cal 58 percent of the classes have under 20 students, while at Cornell only 44 percent of the classes have under twenty students. Guess what that means? Yes, Cal has small class sizes than Cornell. And I'd disagree that the general public (or anyone else) thinks Cornell is better than Berkeley. The general public has probably never even heard of Cornell.</p>
<p>Agreed, Berkeley has far more name recognition than the bastard of the Ivy Leagues.</p>
<p>There are people that haven't heard of Cornell? How deep south do you live?</p>
<p>To UCB I have only one thing to say: GO CARDINAL!</p>
<p>one big tree, I assume you went to Cornell, which would explain your knowledge of its existence. Its a fine school, but its not the most well known. Sorry if that hurts your pride. Enjoy your stay in beautiful Palo Alto.</p>
<p>"Matt, please do a little research."</p>
<p>Playing with uncited stats is not "research", sorry. You cannot say objectivly say comparing apples to apples when you have two different reports that could use (almost probably do) different definitions about what constitues a "class". Are we including independent study, honors thesis, some types of research, ect...</p>
<p>"The general public has probably never even heard of Cornell."</p>
<p>Thats retarded, the general public has never heard of Cornell? OK....</p>
<p>"To UCB I have only one thing to say: GO CARDINAL!"</p>
<p>Wait..who has the stanford ax...oh thats right.....</p>
<p>Go Bears</p>
<p>"Playing with uncited stats is not "research", sorry. You cannot say objectivly say comparing apples to apples when you have two different reports that could use (almost probably do) different definitions about what constitues a "class". Are we including independent study, honors thesis, some types of research, ect..."</p>
<p>The definition (and data) I'm using comes from USnews, and is the same information that the colleges give for evaluation. </p>
<p>Definition: Class size. The percentage of undergraduate classes, excluding class subsections, with fewer than 20 students enrolled during the fall of 2004.
Source: US News America's Best Colleges, 2006 Edition</p>
<p>You could always check with each school's common data set, but I assume the numbers would match up, considering the USnews data.</p>
<p>So yes, do some research before you spout off.</p>
<p>That really doesn't adress any of the problems I just brought up. "undergraduate classes" tells you nothing about the simmilarity of classes used in the calculation.</p>
<p>But why do I care? I'm arguing with a guy that thinks "The general public has probably never even heard of Cornell" is a well researched position.</p>
<p>Matt30, mr. snuggles just posts rubbish to get you riled up. Just ignore him.</p>
<p>In the east coast, UCB really doesn't get much respect. It's of course a fine school, but it's tough to compete in the shadow of the ivy league schools plus MIT, Duke, the top-3 LAC's, etc. I didn't even know UCB was a great school until reading about it on these boards. Before that, I confused it with the Berklee school of music in Boston. </p>
<p>Also, Cornell is among the most well known schools in the country. It may not be as well known in the "general public" eye as the Harvards and Yales, but it is certainly recognized by those who matter most (employers and grad schools).</p>
<p>Matt, close your eyes and really think hard now. Undergraduate classes are all classes, minus discussion sections, that are available for undergrads. What is so hard about that? Cornell provided their information about class sizes, just as all the other schools did. If you have a problem with the definition then maybe you should take it up with Cornell or with USnews. As far as people knowing or not knowing Cornell, I'm talking about "your average person," which is what was first brought up. Go outside and ask the next 20 people you see to name all the Ivys. Assuming you don't live in a college town, I'd bet that only 3 or 4 will say Cornell. If you're on the west coast you'll certainly get more stanfords and probably even get more berkeleys.</p>
<p>gomestar your the man! I love your bold statement! "it is certainly recognized by those who matter most (employers and grad schools)."</p>
<p>thanks</p>
<p>SnuggleMonster your right! but iam trying to become a lawyer and i just want to know if Cornell or UC Berkeley would good on my resume?</p>
<p>Gomestar, Berkeley beats Cornell hands down in terms of name recognition (outside of the east coast) and international prestige. Only the top ivies are on the same level. And Berkeley does get a lot of respect anywhere, east coast included. My Berkeley diploma opened doors for me there.</p>
<p>Ithica is in the boonies and the weather is bad part of the schoolyear and terrible the rest of the schoolyear.</p>
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<p>Berkeley in comparison has arguably the best campus concert venues/programs of any American university. The offerings on and around campus aren't limited to bowling and movies. Our football team is preseason top 10, we average 60,000 fans per game and almost all our games are televized. We won three NCAA titles the last four days alone (women's tennis champ Suzi Babos, women's crew and men's crew.) You can walk from campus to eat Thai, Indian, Japanese, Chinese, Cambodian, Korean, French, Italian, Swiss, Mexican, Brazilian, Lebanese, Ethiopian, Peruvian food and food a couple dozen other international or regional specialties. OK, I'll stop here.</p>
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<p>Nope, the winner of that would be UT - Austin. Austin is actually referred to as the live music capital of the nation.</p>
<p>"And Berkeley does get a lot of respect anywhere, east coast included"</p>
<p>I get my info from my parents who both recruit for two separate fortune-500 companies on the east coast. It's not nearly as much respect as Cornell or the other ivy's. This has been my experience at least. </p>
<p>Also, i'm not sure what you mean by international prestige. Maybe in the Asian countries, but my experiences have been much different in the UK and the Middle East (Qatar to be specific). For some reason, most people recognize harvard and yale (obviously), then the next two are Cornell and NYU. </p>
<p>"You can walk from campus to eat Thai, Indian, Japanese, Chinese, Cambodian, Korean, French, Italian, Swiss, Mexican, Brazilian, Lebanese, Ethiopian, Peruvian food and food a couple dozen other international or regional specialties. OK, I'll stop here"</p>
<p>I'll start here!! You can get all of that at Cornell - after all, Ithaca has more restaurants per capita than any other city in the US. It should also be noted that Cornell's dining halls rank in the top-5 according to the princeton review. Some incredible restaurants are available off campus, but there's not even a need to go off campus to experience some incredible food. </p>
<p>"The offerings on and around campus aren't limited to bowling and movies"</p>
<p>Neither at Cornell, but these are two constant things. There's always the Ivy League athletics (Cornell hockey games are the best), as well as the concert series with numerous bands coming to campus each semester.</p>