<p>that was a response to nspeds info regarding the stats of berkeley students accepted to yale/harvard</p>
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Becuase Berkeley is a public university and is so large not many students
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<p>An average GPA is an average GPA, and that number is quite high. In fact, it is consistently that high from year to year.</p>
<p>In fact, the admit rates are quite constistent from year to year.</p>
<p>what? I am claiming that the stats you are telling everyone are not correct because not every student (which is quite a few) do not tell Berkeley what schools they got into or applied to. As a result the information you are posting is not correct. I have no idea what your last statement means or what it is intended to mean.</p>
<p>Carlos - i'm a Cornell student, PM me if you have a specific question.</p>
<p>"You don't need to take a class that has anything to do with law to learn the "critical reading and analysis skill[s]" you are speaking of; in fact, a non-law class is preferable for breadth"</p>
<p>You'll have to wait until grad school, though. It is a common misconceptoin that college teach students necessary critical reading skills. In the general humanities, this is not the case. Applied sciences and math often goes into some in-depth critical analysis, but not most humanities (surprisingly). I have discussed this recently with the dean of my school at Cornell and with a few of my professors. Very few classes or professors take the time to show students how to extract important information from a document and how to interpret it correctly. I think some philosophy classes do this, but not many more. </p>
<p>Also, 43 UCB grads at HLS vs. 40 at Cornell. Not bad considering UCB is nearly twice the size of Cornell and taking into account the fact that a large amount of students at Cornell are majoring in a specific field with no intentions of going into law (examples: hotel management, architecture, engineering, agricultural science).</p>
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what? I am claiming that the stats you are telling everyone are not correct because not every student (which is quite a few) do not tell Berkeley what schools they got into or applied to.
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<p>That point is moot, since it seems that the numbers are consistent every year. Is it not too much of a coincidence that around the same persons reveal information every year? I thought you would connect the dots. I guess I overestimate people.</p>
<p>And do not dare tell me that 20 other acceptees at YLS will magically come through if everyone informs the career office. Oh brother.</p>
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And do not dare tell me that 20 other acceptees at YLS will magically come through if everyone informs the career office. Oh brother.
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<p>First off, for the most part I agree with your extended post at the top of the page. My problem with this quote is that Harvard says that there are 43 Berkeley undergrads in its law school. The career center statistics say that only 32 students matriculated since 2000. Unless people are taking over 5 years to finish, that's a pretty big number of students missing from the career center stats.</p>
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Unless people are taking over 5 years to finish, that's a pretty big number of students missing from the career center stats.
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<p>A pretty big number of acceptees, yes; however, you also need to factor in how many rejectees there are per acceptee. If 10 students suddenly decided to reveal their information to career services, it is unlikely that even half would comprise acceptees so say a there are 8-10 students per acceptee (if we extrapolated from the given data), that would obviously not do much for the overall data. Of course, I am now just speculating.</p>
<p>There is a hint of fallacy, but I think the odds are on my side. I also do not think that adding more people will do much for the consistent yet abnormally high GPA and LSAT average for students accepted at HLS, YLS, and SLS.</p>
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In 2005, 53 students applied to HLS and only... 4 were admitted.
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Those numbers are super dubious nspeds. Something about them hasn't even been mentioned: that they only include the stats of graduates who applied their senior year! It completely misses those who wait a year or a few years before applying--or the stats for those who apply again after their senior year is completed.</p>
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Those numbers are super dubious nspeds. Something about them hasn't even been mentioned: that they only include the stats of graduates who applied their senior year! It completely misses those who wait a year or a few years before applying--or the stats for those who apply again after their senior year is completed.
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<p>Oh RIGHT... because there are a lot of students who do that.</p>
<p>At any rate, that the numbers have remained pretty stable from year to year is indicative of something.</p>
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<p>Oh RIGHT... because there are a lot of students who do that.
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...yeah. The avg age of law school admits is 25.</p>
<p>HLS GPA Averages over the years:
3.94
3.93
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3.85
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<p>If you have below a 3.82, your chances are not that high. Compare it with the average at Georegetown, which is a 3.82 (actually, it was 3.82 this year, 3.84 last year, and again a 3.82 the year before). If you have below a 3.82 at Georgetown, your chances are still decent. I am not saying one school is better than the other. I am merely indicating that HLS demands much more from different schools. UMichigan is another example (I believe the admitted GPA average from there into HLS is somewhere around a 3.9!)</p>
<p>It is difficult to earn an A at Berkeley, period. HLS, YLS, and SLS pretty much require that the preponderance of one's transcripts comprise As. If you are coming from Cal, you will have a tough time. There is no doubt about it.</p>
<p>I read somewhere that you are planning to take 12-13 credits this semester, which is also not good. HLS, YLS, and SLS look closely at how hard you are working yourself. 13 credits just does not cut it.</p>
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The avg age of law school admits is 25.
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<p>Yes... and we can deduce that from this average which applies to all law school applicants, and all law schools and.... oh wait... all undergraduate schools, that the same must apply to Berkeley.</p>
<p>nspeds: Like I said I agree with most of your initial points about GPA and LSAT. Just trying to point out that this is statistics and you have to treat it as such when you discuss it. Specifically I'm only referring to: "And do not dare tell me that 20 other acceptees at YLS will magically come through if everyone informs the career office."</p>
<p>The career center's sample proportions are probably in close range of the population proportions. This means that the acceptance rate is probably in close range, but it says nothing about the actual numbers of applicants and acceptees. So you can't tout the sample number of admits (in Harvard's case 4) as something representative of the total applicant pool, considering that, as you said, "we have no idea how many students applied."</p>
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Yes... and we can deduce that from this average which applies to all law school applicants, and all law schools and.... oh wait... all undergraduate schools, that the same must apply to Berkeley.
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The average age at entry at Harvard is 24; that settles it.
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Those averages are completely misleading, again based on that super limited, non-scientific info. 3.81 is the average gpa for Harvard, and I think it's wrong to say that a 3.81 from Cornell or Georgetown will be looked at much differently than a 3.81 from Berkeley (assuming the gpas were from similar majors, coursework, etc.).</p>
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The average age at entry at Harvard is 24; that settles it.
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<p>Not really... since that applies to... all undergraduate schools with students at Harvard.</p>
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Those averages are completely misleading, again based on that super limited, non-scientific info.
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<p>Not really, since they are pretty consistent, once again.</p>
<p>Edit: When you are at Cal, take epistemology with Roush. She will teach you a thing or two about reasoning from induction and deduction, and I know she will (pun intended, teehee, though she might also teach you a thing or two about novocaine).</p>
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<p>Not really... since that applies to... all undergraduate schools with students at Harvard.
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For you to suggest students don't do that at Berkeley is just bunkum.</p>
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For you to suggest students don't do that at Berkeley is just bunkum.
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<p>Given the degree of preposterousness of your claim, I think the evidence, no matter how little, supports my position.</p>
<p>Also, you can be 50 bloody years old. Those average GPAs and LSATs are not changing much.</p>
<p>This isn't even on topic anymore. Do we have comparable numbers from Cornell? Why are we even talking about Georgetown; this isn't about you.</p>