<p>I'm a senior applying to college this year and I need to make a choice, Cornell or UPenn.
I have a 34 ACT and a 2330 SAT 2 (Math 2 physics and chem) and I was planning to apply to M&T at Upenn. However, I'm a bit adamant because of two things
1) How good are the jobs M&T grads get?
2) How does Penn engineering compare to Cornell engineering?</p>
<p>Thank you in advance! </p>
<p>First of all, M&T program is more selective than Penn overall, so that’s something to keep in mind. Not too sure about which engineering program is better, but my guess would be Cornell (difference shouldn’t be huge) so it comes down to fit and how much you like the school. Can you list your sub scores for the SAT 2? Math level 2 and physics score should be important for engineering applicants. </p>
<p>@blu5959 780 in both</p>
<p>a 780 for both should suffice. 
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<p>Cornell is much better.</p>
<p>Get in first lol.</p>
<p>@kaustubh0328: Clearly, both are excellent engineering programs, both will provide wonderful. lifelong academic and non-scholastic advantages, and both have merited, outstanding reputations. I suspect you’ll find ceaseless debate – with no resolution – concerning which university and engineering school is better. Therefore, you might – assuming you’re fortunate enough to be admitted to both Cornell and Penn – what to consider the fact that two university “cultures” are distinct and considerably differ. Your “fit” just might be an easy, legitimate, and important decision metric. For example, would you prefer to spend the next four years in the “wilderness” of south, central New York or in Philadelphia’s urban environment. Please understand, I do not advocate one in favor of the other; rather, matters of this sort simply may be a LOT less complicated to assess than the nuanced academic ratings of two VERY similar engineering programs.</p>
<p>I agree with TopTier, it’s more of a personal choice. You are too late for ED I would assume, so apply
to both. Don’t assume you will get into both just because you have an outstanding test score.</p>
<p>If you are lucky enough to get into both, the M&T is a difference but not huge.
I interview in the corporate world (Dad here) and I can tell you Penn is one of the few schools
where many students come out with dual majors / dual degrees similar to M&T. At Cornell
you can take business/economics classes for a minor or just for electives, would not likely
be as easy to get a dual major, but it does not really matter, IMO. If you like the business classes
more than engineering, you can do one of two things, transfer to the bus school (Dyson) or just do the minor/
electives, and apply for grad school MBA later. That said, if it turns out you major in business and drop eng,
you may be sorry you did not go to Wharton. All that said, as a hiring manager, I wouldn’t care that
much which of those two schools you went to, excellent reputation for both. Lifestyle, and maybe financial
aid, should dictate the decision. At your age, you really don’t know for sure bus or eng is the right thing for you,
until you start, and both schools have a huge selection of things you can explore if you change your mind,
and both great for you current interests. </p>
<p>Read here about Dyson B school for Engineering students 
<a href=“Applied Economics and Management Degree Program | Cornell Dyson”>Applied Economics and Management Degree Program | Cornell Dyson;
<p>@TopTier That actually makes a lot of sense, thank you! I’ve lived in Rural Arkansas and Bangalore (huge city in India) so I don’t think I would mind living in either of those places. That being said, I probably would NOT fit into the Wharton society in Upenn. </p>
<p>@blevine I’m really glad that a parent like you could give advice, thanks a bunch!
that’s actually one thing to consider, I’m still debating whether to double major or just minor in business and do an MBA afterwards.
Since you work as a manager, I have a slightly different question.
Do you hire students from India? (as in, students who studied in Indian universities)
If so, does your company differentiate between students from American unis and students from American universities? </p>
<p>"If so, does your company differentiate between students from American unis and students from American universities? "</p>
<p>I’m not the intended responder, but I’m going to go out on a limb and say his company treats unis and universities exactly the same.</p>
<p>You didn’t ask this, but FWIW when I was in the corporate world there were more hoops involved in hiring a foreign national vs.an American citizen. The company had to “sponsor” the foreigner and assert that they couldn’t get an American citizen to do the same job with equal ability. (conveneniently leaving out the phrase “for the money we want to pay”…). Two large companies I worked for had no problem doing this and hiring selected foreigners that they wanted. But not indiscriminately.</p>
<p>That was a long time ago though. the rules have probably changed since then.</p>
<p>That’s exactly what I meant but apparently that was misunderstood.
Let me rephrase
“…does your company differentiate between students from American universitiess and students from American universities”</p>
<p>It would be very hard to get into MT even with perfect scores.</p>
<p>It would be hard to get a job as a foreign national with just an undergrad degree from US.</p>
<p>Penn usually gives FA to foreign nationals but Cornell has more limited funds. Indians usually depend on the Tata scholarships.</p>
<p>@texaspg I’m a US citizen, born and lived the first 10 years of my life in Arkansas </p>
<p>"Let me rephrase
“…does your company differentiate between students from American universitiess and students from American universities” "</p>
<p>Again, speaking on behalf of his company, they are likely to differentiate because the former has one “s”
too many. Absent that, no entity could possibly differentiate between these two.</p>
<p>@monydad I’m terribly sorry.
If you don’t have anything productive to contribute, please go away, I believe blevine understood my question. :)</p>
<p>If you are a US citizen, why the question about a job? You can move to US anytime and apply for a job you are qualified for irrespective of where you get a degree. The statements you are making here are quite confusing to people.</p>
<p>The issue of a visa complicates jobs in US. If you don’t have that problem, then the job you can get is commensurate with your experience and qualifications. Whether someone on CC thinks you can be hired is irrelevant since they won’t ever be giving you a job.</p>
<p>@texaspg My question is simple: do american companies prefer an American citizen WITH a bachelors from an American university as compared to an American citizen with a bachelors from an India university?</p>
<p>Most people getting degrees from India have paperwork issues, visa issues, need to get to US first issues etc.</p>
<p>You could come tomorrow and start working in a grocery store or a burger king because you are a citizen.</p>
<p>@texaspg that makes sense. </p>