<p>Wow, congratulations on the 48-45 victory, that was a huge Ivy League basketball game.</p>
<p>but we lost to yale in hockey :(</p>
<p>but losing to Penn on friday was not good at all.</p>
<p>^yeah…and that wasn’t some kind of little loss either, Penn won by such a margin. :(</p>
<p>The Ps are always a tough road trip. They have only been swept 5 times in the last fifty years. That’s five times out of 350 opportunities.</p>
<p>We beat the team we had to beat. A team that we lost to by 20 last year in their own gym. Unfortunately we looked past Penn. But it will only make us stronger and get rid of all of this silly top 25 nonsense.</p>
<p>Let’s not talk about the Yale game. The sad thing is that I haven’t seen the Big Red win in hockey since 2006. I’m a bad luck charm.</p>
<p>We’re still going to take the Ivy title, but the Penn loss was inexcusable. The ranking was important for our tournament seeding. Huge difference between a 6-8 seed and a 12-15 seed, which is likely what we will now receive.</p>
<p>There was no way Cornell would’ve gotten a 6-8 seed. I think they were looking at a 11 seed if they had won out. Now, they’re probably down to a 12-14 seed.</p>
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<p>Let’s not put the cart before the horse here.</p>
<p>not true at all, norcalguy- espn predicted cornell to be an 8 seed if the season ended today (this was a week ago, before the loss to penn). also, 22nd in the country is equivalent to a 6 seed. if cornell wins out, they’d prob still be around a 9 seed</p>
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<p>Yeah and for the last two years some of the bracketologists were slotting us in a 12 seed.</p>
<p>Anything higher than a 9 was not going to happen <em>even if</em> we went 14-0 in Ivy play. We simply have no marquee wins. </p>
<p>And in my view, an 11-12 game is a blessing, Much more attractive than a 7-10 seed. As a 7/10` seed, you would be slotted to play a 2 seed. But as a 12 seed you would be slotted to play a 4 seed. Gives you a higher chance of playing in the sweet sixteen.</p>
<p>that makes no sense. how could they have been #22 in the country then? if they had gone 14-0, they would have ended up around #18 or better. #22 breaks down to a 6 seed, which they probably wouldn’t have gotten, but 8 definitely would have been possible. </p>
<p>and a 12 seed is a blessing? what? cornell hasn’t won a tournament game in 50 years (if ever), and you’re worried about them getting to the sweet 16? you’d rather them play a 5 seed and lose in the first round than a 9 seed and have a good chance of winning?</p>
<p>sports are quite astonishing. </p>
<p>just a couple weeks back, we were handling the no. 1 team in the nation, kansas- on the road, no less. then we lose an embarrassment to penn, a team that was 3-15 (i believe) at that time? i guess there is some parity after all.</p>
<p>and blackcheese, the seeding doesn’t quite work like that. there have been cases where a top 10 team ends up with a 9 or 10 seed, and where an RPI 50 or so team gets a 5,6,7,8 seed or higher. it’s much more subjective and rightfully so-- butler is undefeated in their conference right now i believe but no one thinks they are even half as good as tennessee- a team with a handful of losses.</p>
<p>Let’s face it, Cornell was overranked. Yes, if they get hot, they have the capacity to beat any team in the country. But, based on the ACTUAL results (wins over St. Johns and Alabama with losses to Kansas, Syracuse, Seaton Hall), there was no way they should’ve been in the top 25. The only reason they were ranked so high ironically was due to the LOSS (and the subsequent news coverage) to Kansas. </p>
<p>Outside of that one game, this year’s team has not achieved more than the previous years’ teams. They too had a few good wins (over Siena for example) with some close losses to good teams (Syracuse, Duke, etc.). The selection committee would’ve realized that and seeded them accordingly. The rankings are irrelevant and were blown up by the hyper from the Kansas game.</p>
<p>i dont think they were overranked. this whole season has been about incorrect rankings (georgetown destroyed both duke and villanova, but has some very bad losses to bad teams). they are still top 10. </p>
<p>north carolina, the defending champs, were ranked number 4 in the nation at the start, but are now at the bottom of the ACC and haven’t really won a game this calendar year. just as cornell was given their ranking because of he kansas game, syracuse vaulted into the top 15 after beating UNC convincingly, which doesn’t look quite as impressive right now. cornell played syracuse well and beat kansas for 39.5 minutes. that’s good enough to have a top 25 ranking.</p>
<p>I’ll tell you what team is over-ranked: Our hockey team. </p>
<p>Despite being outskated by North Dakota two nights in a row we are still ranked higher than they are.</p>
<p>I agree. And despite not wanting Yale to win, they severely outplayed us.</p>
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<p>So, the best justification Cornell has for a Top 25 ranking is two losses?</p>
<p>So, the best justification Cornell has for a Top 25 ranking is two losses? </p>
<p>yes, actually. normally, i’d agree with you on this, but there should be more to ranking teams than just W’s and L’s. you can have sloppy wins and quality losses- it’s how the game works. the best justification for cornell’s top 25 ranking is their record in D-I- what is it now- 21-4? kansas pulled off the victory somehow but an all american candidate- cole aldrich- was defended by jeff foote like a cheetah protecting its kill from lions. not to mention team shooting- both FG and FT- in which cornell excels. the team has enough skill and talent to warrant a ranking, and playing kansas in kansas (don’t forget, kansas is loaded with future nba players and a couple of legit nba stars) like that by itself is impressive for an ivy league school.</p>
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<p>Sometimes the critical reasoning abilities of our fellow Cornellians astonish me, norcalguy.</p>
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<p>They outplayed us. I don’t know if they severely outplayed us, and our goalie certainly outplayed theirs. If they did that, the game would not have been tied three minutes into overtime. We failed to hit a couple of wide open nets, which really killed us.</p>
<p>Yale is a small, quick, tenacious forechecking team that seems designed to beat teams like Cornell. But they aren’t invincible.</p>