<p>I just bought the new USNEWS (some accidental pre-release at my local book store), and Georgetown is actually ranked 23. So, no change from last year, except that Virginia is no longer tied with us- they dropped a spot. At least we didn't go down! :p</p>
<p>is there a 21st spot?</p>
<p>I still don't get why Georgetown is that low.</p>
<p>I always thought people consider it to be kind of like a sub-Ivy... I woulda never thought Rice and Emory are ranked higher than it. I don't even think most of my friends have heard of Rice and Emory.</p>
<p>Well the College and SFS would be well ahead of 22 if they only comrpised Georgetown. If the Business School was the only school 22 would probably be dead-on. But everyone always says Nursing/Health Studies drags Georgetown way down. No offense to anyone in NHS.</p>
<p>I'm sorry but how can someone in NHS not be offended by your statement? You basically stated that NHS brings down the university... can you please elaborate?</p>
<p>people who know nothing about NHS, admissions to NHS, and what NHS actually does usually say this. I don't even know who "everyone" is. As someone actually in NHS, I know that NHS is probably one of the more difficult schools, especially when you're in Nursing, Human Science, or even International Health, where you're taking rigorous science courses(i'd love to see someone in SFS or a non-science major in the College look at one of Angerio's Pathophysiology or Microbiology tests). The professors of NHS collectively manage a multimillion dollar research portfolio. The NHS Parents Council received almost a million dollars in donations to construct and recently open the NHS Discovery Center in the Medical campus, an expensive research lab facility. Oh and our building(St. Mary's) has wireless classrooms and is the most technologically advanced building in the campus. Georgetown's main competition for Nursing is Penn Nursing, which is probably the top Nursing program in the country. We have the only undergrad International Health program in the country. Not many people can say they've taken pharmacology or physiological adapations to space flight as an undergrad through the Human Science department. And both the undergrad and grad Health Systems Administration programs are nationally recognized/accredited. </p>
<p>I don't see how NHS would do anything but to help Georgetown, and looking at how much money it gets from alumni, I'd say NHS is just fine. As funds for the new Science Building are still waiting to be found, NHS has already renovated St. Mary's, has a human simulator, opened a basic science research facility, holds research conferences and discussions, etc.</p>
<p>Oh and this is coming from someone who transferred from the College to NHS.
<a href="http://nhs.georgetown.edu/index.html%5B/url%5D">http://nhs.georgetown.edu/index.html</a>
That's a good place to start.</p>
<p>You know, 23 is still good.</p>
<p><em>applauds for Jason Hoya</em></p>
<p>stockholmsyndrome23,</p>
<p>You used "comprise" incorrectly.</p>
<p>You are a student at Georgetown, right? Were you not whacked on the head with a copy of Strunk and White? I know Degoia gives a free copy to the students in his class.</p>
<p>One problem: Georgetown has a sub-billion dollar endowment, which is pretty pathetic.</p>
<p>How many schools have over billion dollar endowments? I bet its less than 15.</p>
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<p>Good question. I would not be surprised, however, if every school in the top 25, except for Georgetown, had over a billion dollars. That Georgetown is ranked 23 with less than a billion is quite unfathomable. The problem is that with less money comes a diminished capacity to improve, maintain, or establish new programs. Georgetown needs a better endowment so they can keep their spot for the future.</p>
<p>It is very interesting the impact size of endowment has on these rankings. If some measure of alumni/student achievement were substituted for size of endowment Georgetown with its mid-size "army" of distinguished alumni relative to other elite schools( Four percent of the US Congress, four Heads of State including for 3 of the 30 largest countries, Ambassadors, media figures, 20+ Rhodes scholars since 1984, one of seven schools with a Supreme Court Justice, 2 of the 15 most powerful women in world according to Forbes etc. etc. etc.) would easily move a lot higher in the rankings. </p>
<p>These large endowments also really don't improve the quality of the institutions since so much of the money is plowed back into the endowment to increase its size each year. Why-to improve college ratings based on the size of the endowment! There is a tremendous disincentive to make material usage of endowments at elite schools.</p>
<p>But Georgetown knows this and appears to be playing the game better over time.</p>
<p>US News should add a category to its rankings of percentage of endowment applied to current fund and/or program activity in a given year.</p>
<p>About 57 schools have endowments over $1 billion</p>
<p>as i stated in the previous exact same thread, the size of a school's endowment is not factored into the rankings - which is good for gtown because it would likely hurt it rather than help it.</p>
<p>There are a lot of schools under #20 that are really good and people know they are: Georgetown, Tufts, UVA, UMich, and CMU. Most people who aren't up to date with rankings would probably just assume they were above 20 anyway.</p>
<p>I don't think too many people would consider Tufts a top 20 school. For IR sure, but it isn't a widely known school, at least not on the West Coast.</p>
<p>My dad's from L.A. and I transferred from Gtown to Tufts after my freshman year and didn't get any blank stares from my Californian friends when I told them where I had changed schools to study at.</p>
<p>Their knowledge of Tufts probably comes from Seinfeld. Elaine once said, "Hey, I went to Tufts! It was my safety school! So don't talk to me about hardship."</p>