<p>^ No, you’re right. Sorry. Carry on.</p>
<p>“We all know that there are far more people who are rich/famous/beautiful who were not in frats”</p>
<p>Yea but, they got DITKA! </p>
<p>In a contest of wills between all the non frat people and Ditka, who wins? </p>
<p>Ditka!</p>
<p>Does anybody know if Chuck Norris was in a frat? ;)</p>
<p>OK, I’m not doing any big list for my son’s frat.
But I will say that, among many other famous and influential folks, we have, Jack - “The Golden Bear”
I betcha he could take Ditka on the golf course!</p>
<p>ag54’s son’s group was founded in the same town as two other national fraternities.Her husband’s fraternity is incorporated in the title of a song that was very popular in its day.</p>
<p>Let’s not forget the women’s fraternities. This is my sister’s and mine!</p>
<p>Sally Charlton Augustiny
Beta Nu, Ohio State, 1947
Commercial artist; book illustrator</p>
<p>Dorothy Canfield Fisher
Beta Nu, Ohio State, 1896
Author and philanthropist</p>
<p>Bernice Williams Foley
Beta RhoΔ, Cincinnati, 1922
Writer, journalist, and editor; director of Ohioana Library</p>
<p>Neta Lohnes Frazier
Gamma Gamma, Whitman, 1929
Children’s author</p>
<p>Polly Knipp Hill
Beta Lambda, Illinois & Beta Tau, Syracuse, 1919
Artist </p>
<p>Margaret Hillis
Delta, Indiana, 1941
Conductor of the Chicago Symphony Choir</p>
<p>Julia Ward Howe
Phi, Boston (honorary member), 1884
Lecturer & reformer; author of Battle Hymn of the Republic</p>
<p>Alice Duer Miller
Beta Epsilon, Barnard College, 1897
Author & poet; wrote many columns on the Women’s suffrage movement for the New York Tribune</p>
<p>Shelley Smith Mydans
Beta Epsilon, Barnard College, 1933
Author; wife of Carl Mydans</p>
<p>Carey Boone Nelson
Theta, Missouri, 1943
Artist & sculptor</p>
<p>Elinor Keiss Rose
Kappa, Hillsdale, 1928
Poet </p>
<p>Susan Burrows Swan
Beta Nu, Ohio State, 1948
Associate registrar at Winterthur Museum; author </p>
<p>Anne Armstrong Thompson
Beta Chi, Kentucky, 1957
Bestselling author</p>
<p>Betty Jane McKenty Wylie
Gamma Sigma, Manitoba, 1947
Dramatic writer and poet</p>
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<p>Patty Berg
Chi, Minnesota, 1939
Golf champion</p>
<p>Jane Blalock
Delta Epsilon, Rollins, 1965
Golf champion</p>
<p>Donna de Varona
Gamma Xi, UCLA, 1966
Swimmer and sports commentator; won double gold medals at the 1964 Tokyo Olympics</p>
<p>Doris Hart
Delta Kappa, Miami (Florida),1947
Third Kappa to win U.S. Women’s Open Championship Tennis</p>
<p>Rosemary Henderson Marks
Gamma Sigma, Manitoba,1951
Leading lady of Ice Capades; won top awards in Canadian figure skating before she was 19</p>
<p>Helen Wills Roarke
PiΔ, UC Berkeley, 1924
Tennis champion</p>
<p>Betty Robinson Schwartz
Upsilon, Northwestern, 1931
Olympic gold medallist, 1928; member of the Track & Field Hall of Fame</p>
<p>Lisa Spain Short
Delta Upsilon, University of Georgia, 1981
1984 NCAA Singles Champion, First All-American in women’s tennis at UGA, and achieved
All-American status from 1981 - 1984</p>
<p>Hollis Stacy
Delta Epsilon, Rollins College, 1973
Winner of 1978 Women’s Open Golf Tournament</p>
<p>Beth Whittall
Gamma Delta, Purdue, 1954
Swimmer; represented USA in the 1956 Olympics in Melbourne, Australia</p>
<p>Hazel Wightman
PiΔ, UC Berkeley, 1910
Tennis champion; founder of Wightman Tennis matches</p>
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<p>Robin Burns
Beta Tau, Syracuse, 1971
Retired as Victoria’s Secret Beauty Corp. CEO.; former president and CEO of Estee Lauder Companies Inc.'s North American operations and its Donna Karan Cosmetics brand; served as president of Calvin Klein Cosmetics Co.; headed the cosmetics division of Bloomingdales</p>
<p>Ruann Ernst
Beta Nu, Ohio State, 1965
Business woman; retired as CEO of Digital Island in 2002; worked for Hewlett Packard and General Electric</p>
<p>Marian Simpson (Garber) Carter
Gamma Omega, Denison
Career in Radio - NBC, CBS</p>
<p>Nancy Hanschman Dickerson
Eta, Wisconsin, 1947
White House correspondent; publisher of Among Those Present, a 1976 memoir covering the Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon and Ford administrations</p>
<p>Erin Moriarty
Beta Nu, Ohio State, 1971
CBS News; correspondent for 48 Hours</p>
<p>Nancy Humphries O’Dell
Epsilon Mu, Clemson, 1985
Co-Anchor of Access Hollywood</p>
<p>Jane Pauley
Delta, Indiana, 1969
Former anchorwoman for “Today Show,” NBC</p>
<p>Patti Searight
Beta Nu, Ohio State, 1937
Radio and television executive; director of American Women in Radio and Television</p>
<p>Jann Carl Sears
Theta, Missouri, 1979
Anchor for Entertainment Tonight</p>
<p>Katherine Brosnahan Spade
Omega, Kansas, 1982
Fashion Designer; co-founder of “Kate Spade brands”</p>
<p>Marguerite Wykoff Zapoleon
Beta RhoΔ, Cincinnati, 1924
Economic consultant and author of books on occupations and employment</p>
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<p>Jean Bartel
Gamma Xi, UCLA 1942
Miss America, 1943 </p>
<p>Gretchen Carlson
Beta EtaΔ, Stanford, 1985
Miss America, 1989</p>
<p>Gena Rowlands Cassavetes
Eta, Wisconsin, 1949
Movie and television actress; nominated for an Oscar for her portrayal of Mabel Longhetti in A Woman Under the Influence, 1974; recently played Allie Calhoun in The Notebook, 2004</p>
<p>Barbara Feldon
Delta Xi, Carnegie-Mellon, 1953
Actress; most famous for her role as Agent 99 in the television series, Get Smart</p>
<p>Jane Froman
Theta, Missouri,1927
Singer; television actress</p>
<p>Kate Jackson
Delta Rho, Mississippi, 1967
Actress; portrayed Sabrina Duncan on the television series, Charlie’s Angels</p>
<p>Ashley Judd
Beta Chi, Kentucky, 1987
Actress; credits include A Time to Kill, 1996, Kiss the Girls, 1997, and Double Jeopardy, 1999</p>
<p>Nancy Olson Livingston
Eta, Wisconsin,1947
Stage and screen star; starred in Disney’s Pollyanna</p>
<p>Nancy Fields O’Connor
Beta Phi, Montana, 1948
Actress; artist; wife of Carroll O’Connor </p>
<p>Jo Ann Pflug
Delta Kappa, Miami (FL), 1959
Actress; played Lt. Maria “'Dish” Schneiderstar in the movie version of M<em>A</em>S*H, 1970; star of Candid Camera</p>
<p>Nancy Morgan Ritter
Gamma Omega, Denison, 1968
Actress; wife of actor, John Ritter</p>
<p>Laurie Hickson Smith
Gamma Phi, SMU, 1990
Interior Design; designer on The Learning Channel’s (TLC) Trading Spaces</p>
<p>Margaret Speaks
Beta Nu, Ohio State, 1922
Singer; distinguished soprano of concert and radio</p>
<p>Helen Wagner Willey
AlphaΔ, Monmouth, 1935
Television and Broadway actress; has portrayed Nancy Hughes McClosky on the Daytime Drama As the World Turns since it premiered on CBS in 1956</p>
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<p>Susan Harrell Black
RhoΔ, Ohio Wesleyan & Epsilon Zeta, Florida State, 1962
Judge of U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit</p>
<p>Harriet Day Bricker
Beta Nu, Ohio State, 1916
Wife of former Senator and Governor of Ohio, John W. Bricker</p>
<p>Mary Thomas Brooks
Beta Kappa, Idaho, 1928
Director of U.S. Mint</p>
<p>Betty Prichard Dunn
Delta Rho, Mississippi, 1949
Wife of former governor of Tennessee, Winfield Dunn</p>
<p>Jean Mason Guy
Gamma Tau, North Dakota State, 1941
Wife of former governor of North Dakota, William L. Guy</p>
<p>Lucy Webb Hayes
Rho, Ohio Wesleyan (honorary member), 1880
Wife of 19th U.S. President, Rutherford B. Hayes</p>
<p>Nancy Ham Ostrander
Mu, Butler, 1944
U.S. Ambassador to Suriname in South America</p>
<p>Maryon Moody Pearson
Beta Psi, Toronto, 1921
Wife of the fourteenth Prime Minister of Canada, Lester Bowles Pearson</p>
<p>Beverly Moore Perdue
Beta Chi, University of Kentucky, 1967
Lt. Governor of North Carolina</p>
<p>Emma Fall Schofield
Phi, Boston, 1902
Lawyer and judge; first woman in Massachusetts to serve as Asst. Attorney General, appt. as judge in Massachusetts</p>
<p>Constance Cornell Stuart
Gamma Phi, SMU, 1957
Deputy Director of the office in International Visitors Program; Mrs. Nixon’s Staff Director and Press Secretary</p>
<p>Jane Swift
Zeta Theta, Trinity, 1985
First woman governor of Massachusetts</p>
<p>Minnetta Taylor
Iota, DePauw, 1877
Women’s suffrage movement; early editor of The Key</p>
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<p>Mary Shuham Dore
Gamma Gamma, Whitman, 1947
Established a parent support group that became the National SIDS (Sudden Infant Death) Foundation</p>
<p>Phyllis Galanti
Gamma Kappa, William & Mary, 1960
Chairman of Board of National League of Families of American Prisoners and Missing in Southeast Asia</p>
<p>Emily Eaton Hepburn
Beta Beta, St. Lawrence, 1882
Founder of Panhellenic House in N.Y.; director of Reid Hall in Paris</p>
<p>Thora McIlroy Mills
Beta Psi, Toronto, 1924
Volunteer for Eskimo and Native American aid</p>
<p>Mary Durey Poole
Chi, Minnesota, 1952
Volunteer; National President of Junior League</p>
<p>Avis Pumphrey
Gamma Upsilon, British Columbia, 1929
Social service</p>
<p>Kate Shelly
Omicron, Simpson, 1882
Heroine; saved many lives from near train disaster in 1881</p>
<p>Mary Kingsbury Simkhovitch
Phi, Boston, 1886
Humanitarian; head of historic Greenwich House in N.Y.C.</p>
<p>Lucy Guild Toberman
Gamma Xi, UCLA, 1928
Community leader</p>
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<p>Betty Lou Anderson
Gamma Kappa, William & Mary, 1959
Ecology; chemist</p>
<p>Diana Devine Felt
Delta Eta, Utah,1941
Television mental health coordinator</p>
<p>Jessica Garretson Finch
Beta Epsilon, Barnard College, 1891
Educator and author; founded Finch Junior College</p>
<p>Marguerite Hill
Beta Psi, Toronto, 1937
Physician-in-chief of Women’s College Hospital from 1965-1984</p>
<p>Ruth Johnson Holden
Delta Alpha, Penn State,1956
Educator; inventor for speech and hearing problems</p>
<p>Jane Dole Jones
Delta Iota, Louisiana State,1948
Chairman of National Association of Children’s Hospitals and Related Institutions</p>
<p>Sarah Lee Lippincott
Beta Alpha, Pennsylvania, 1940
Astronomer</p>
<p>Lois Lloyd
AlphaΔ, Monmouth, 1938
Educator; worked with mentally handicapped</p>
<p>Dr. Susan W. Rockwood
Beta RhoΔ, Cincinnati, 1943
Microbiologist</p>
<p>Dr. Doris Seward
Delta, Indiana, 1935
Executive Assistant to President of Pennsylvania State University</p>
<p>Katherine Lucinda Sharp
Upsilon, Northwestern, 1884
Founded Library School at Northwestern University; grand president in 1894</p>
<p>Mareta West
Beta Theta, Oklahoma, 1936
First woman astrogeologist; determined the crucial site for the first landing on the moon</p>
<p>“I betcha he could take Ditka on the golf course!”</p>
<p>No, he would slice terribly in the presence of DITKA! And then he would carry DITKA’s bag. ;)</p>
<p>Wow, give you guys a few days and you really take off. Well, of course, I would not automatically exclude anyone but I have advised my son not to put his frat membership on his resume. I doubt that I am the only person who feels this way - think of the all the people who were cut from rush. I have had two very bad experiences with sorority women from the midwest, one a former president of her sorority, the other just a member. It is a subject size of 2 so it’s a skewed research study, still, the problems I had were highly consistent with the image one might have of a sorority woman and that’s all I can say. I do live in a suburb of Boston and I can assure you that frat membership is not viewed positively by many people around here. I know someone else will write in and say that isn’t true but overall, across the US, Boston would not be a big proponent of frats or sororities. BTW, I would like to stress that, while I don’t like either frats or sororities, I think frats are far more concerning than sororities.</p>
<p>I stand by my opinion that frats and sororities do not belong on college campuses. When they stop assessing people on looks, as admitted in the Northwestern movie, I’ll take a second look. To those with kids in Greek life, of course you should support your child. </p>
<p>To the person who noted my displeasure with Greek life and WM, I am no fan of either. However, my son is very, very happy at WM. His grades are much better, he is a junior and doing very well. I would not choose WM for him again - I wouldn’t let him near it - but that is because it is not a diverse population of students and because Greek life is a big part of the social life at WM. Also, it’s just too far. Plus, Southern Virginia has a very different culture that doesn’t mesh with my POV. The plethora of gunracks, the Bush/Cheney stickers, the bible study classes in the dorms and coffee shops that surround the school, and the astonishment of people who have never met a Jew - it is like another world and sadly, not one I wanted my child to live with. BTW, we are not Jewish.</p>
<p>Motherdear, you’ve got some great ladies, including my dear mother in law, who went to the college where the triad, that includes my husband’s fraternity, was established. And my sorority and your’s were both founded at Monmouth College, in Monmouth, Ill. I’ve got a lot of good memories from Monmouth Duo’s during college.</p>
<p>Let me take a stab at the song title, does it include Sweetheart? </p>
<p>My sorority has a few keepers, such as:</p>
<p>Susan Akin (Mississippi Beta) - Miss America 1986
Faye Dunaway (Florida Beta) - Academy Award-winning Actress
Jennifer Garner (Ohio Eta) - Golden Globe-winning Actress/Producer]
Courtney Gibbs (Texas Delta) - Miss USA 1988
Jacquelyn Mayer (Illinois Epsilon) - Miss America 1963
Patricia Neal (Illinois Epsilon) - Academy Award-winning Actress
Marilyn Van Derbur Atler (Colorado Alpha)- Motivational speaker and Miss America, 1958. Named Outstanding Woman Speaker in America and the first woman to win the Speakers’ Hall of Fame Award, 1980. </p>
<p>Barbara Bush (Texas Eta Alumna Initiate 2003) - wife of President George H. W. Bush
Grace Goodhue Coolidge (Vermont Beta charter member) - wife of Calvin Coolidge
Kay Bailey Hutchison (Texas Alpha) - Texas Senator </p>
<p>Sue Grafton (Kentucky Alpha) - Mystery novelist.
Patricia MacLachlan (Connecticut Alpha) - Author of “Sarah, Plain and Tall” and recipient of the John Newbery Medal for her contribution to children’s literature.
Margaret Truman (DC Alpha) - daughter of U.S. President Harry Truman and author</p>
<p>Oh, let’s not go back to unpleasant bickering! It’s much more fun to be positive.</p>
<p>Some people are going to love greek life and some aren’t. Leave it at that. Noone I know has ever been held back by their affiliation to a Greek organization. Maybe it is a regional thing, maybe not. If it is, then I’m glad I live in my region. </p>
<p>I would think that, with all the concern over alcohol and its misuse, promiscuity, and general bad behavior at college, Bible study classes in dorms would be a welcome sight and a harbinger of good things. </p>
<p>Who knew it could it be perceived as a negative?</p>
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<p>Anyone whose view of the Bible differs from those studying. I’ve found the biggest anti-Semites also attend Bible study. (Don’t jump me; not everyone who attends Bible study is an anti-Semite! The converse is not true. And yes, I am Jewish - I fear the Bible studiers who want to “save my soul.”)</p>
<p>Rileydog: Just keep in mind that not all Greeks are the same, and there are some Greeks that do NOT base anything on looks. I’ve been through several pledge selection cycles with my society, and believe me, looks are never, ever a factor with us. Not even a little bit. (We also work really hard to make sure anyone we ask to initiate can do so regardless of their financial situation, by waiving dues and also by having some scholarship money for helping with tuition that is open to the entire school to apply to, with preference given to members in need). </p>
<p>I mean, I’m sure there are Greeks (both chapters and people) out there that embody all the stereotypes. But there are many, many others that don’t. My society, for instance, is co-ed, full of intelligent geeks (most of whom never in their life thought they would go Greek), takes siblinghood very seriously, and has never hosted a keger — but you (general you) wouldn’t be able to tell that just by looking at our letters. (Likewise, there is a frat on my campus that is more traditional than my society, but all of the members I know are smart, dedicated, creative and deeply kind individuals who really are devoted to that frat’s goals, especially as related to community service).</p>
<p>ag54, You and my D are sisters! :)</p>
<p>
I am no big fan of frats but I would say this to my son if he was a frst guy and wanted to list it on his resume. List what you believe tells who you are … and if listing a frat somehow creates a negative impression with someone with whom you interview then you probably do not want to work with or for that person … so there is no reason not to list your frat.</p>
<p>Bush - Frat Guy
Cheney - Not a Frat Guy
Both toxic.
Bottom line..you can’t determine anything by looking at greek participation. You see it on a resume? Ask questions..find out how the candidate views their experience. It might be a good thing…or not. Automatically excluding them makes no sense at all.</p>
<p>I guess my point would be when you decide ahead of time, based on an activity someone chose to do “without” knowing more about their situation, you are the lesser person as a result. You are letting a label (frat boy, lesbian, jew, muslim, etc..) determine your mindset far ahead of meeting the person. </p>
<p>I know I am not perfect by any means and I initially opposed my son joining a frat (kappa sig) from my own mindset. However, my mindset is always open to change. That’s the core basis of learning. Changing your mind about something you believed true before. I have always reserved the right to be wrong about something.</p>
<p>“negative impression with someone with whom you interview then you probably do not want to work with or for that person … so there is no reason not to list your frat”</p>
<p>Very true. Be yourself. We tell kids to find their “fit” among colleges, then are they suppose to hide who they are from HR?</p>
<p>3 to go, my thoughts exactly. You are who you are.</p>
<p>If someone can’t accept you for who you are, whether it be greek, Christian, Jew, or Martian, do you really want to work for them?</p>
<p>There is absolutely nothing worse than being with a boss who doesn’t like or respect you forty hours (or more) a week.</p>
<p>My H and my S belong to the same national fraternity but different chapters. They thought of this trick question " When is my son both a son and a brother to me. No incest."</p>
<p>My sister is a double sister (biological AND fraternal). :)</p>
<p>i am rushing a frat when I go to college. straight-up.</p>
<p>Motherdear, I just noticed this thread when it got bumped. My sons are now double brothers too.</p>