Could I be happy at Dartmouth?

<p>Hello! I am planning on applying to Dartmouth ED. However, I have some reservations about my decision. I would love to hear current Dartmouth students' opinion on this question: could I find a community of friends with similar interests and values to mine? </p>

<p>My first concern is about the greek scene/ social life. I am not interested in wild parties or excessive drinking, and I don't see myself getting involved in the Greek system (if it is like what I've heard it is.) Does the greek scene completely dominate social life? Is it possible to avoid it and still have a perfectly active and fulfilling social life? I am very outdoorsy and would immerse myself in the DOC. Can the DOC form an alternative social scene, separate from the frats? </p>

<p>I am quite introverted (not shy though); I love people, but I need plenty of alone time for introspection. I have a sense that Dartmouth is a very extroverted school. Is this correct? Do introverts feel pressure to be very social and outgoing? </p>

<p>Please correct me if this is wrong, but I also have a sense that Dartmouth is less "intellectual" then its peer schools. I hate to use the word intellectual, it sounds so pretentious... basically, does Dartmouth nourish academic passions? Do Dartmouth students find joy in learning? Could I find a group of friends who have conversations about our classes, ideas, books, etc. at lunch or late at night in the dorms? I want to make friends who have passions for, well, whatever it is they love and learn from them (and vice versa.)</p>

<p>I'm crazy about Visual arts (especially drawing and painting) and I was blown away by the new Black Family Visual Arts center. Is the quality of the visual arts classes and professors as high as the facilities? </p>

<p>Basically, I'm looking for a friendly, supportive, open-minded, passionate/intellectual group of friends and an active, fulfilling social life free from crazy parties/excessive alcohol and more focused on the arts, interesting conversations, deep and genuine relationships, etc. Could I find that at Dartmouth? </p>

<p>Thank you so much! </p>

<p>p.s. I know this is a long shot, but can anyone describe the Buddhist community on campus? Is it active? How big is it? How about Interfaith activities and Religious Life in general? Is it a struggle to make time to practice religion (which is mediation for me)? Thanks!</p>

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<p>absolutely. it won’t be that hard to find people who share your ideas, interests, and beliefs. to base the entire student body on a few exaggerated stereotypes blindly writes off 4400 exceptional people who make up the Dartmouth undergrad population</p>

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<p>The DOC is a social network into itself. It is the dominant social scene for many people (smaller than the greek scene, obviously, but vibrant and diverse in itself), and if you feel happy there, it’s a good place to be. Most of the kids who make up the DOC social scene do not participate in greek life, but … that’s painting both scenes with too broad a brush.</p>

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<p>External pressure? no. To be honest … nobody cares what you do with your personal time. Most people would like to hang out with you, to get to know you and figure out what kind of person you are, especially your first year … but if you don’t want to do it, nobody is going to force you. I would say that it’s more likely that you’ll face some sort of internal pressure to go out and meet people and “have fun”. That would describe how I felt at times.</p>

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<p>Do all dartmouth students fit that description? Of course not. Basically no group of 4400 students is homogeneous. Do some? absolutely. Whether or not you meet this ideal group of people depends on how many people you meet and the context in which you meet them. I know I had a ton of conversations like these while i was at Dartmouth. I also had a lot of late-night conversations about sports, gossip, and tv shows. If you seek out friends of that nature, you’ll find them. If you wait for that group of friends to just fall into your lap, you might be disappointed.</p>

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<p>Definitely possible. I had that, minus the focus on the arts. Almost all my friends were science/engineering majors, but I had a few friends who majored in creative writing, languages, econ, soc, etc. as well. Is it the “dominant” dartmouth experience? no. But it IS a dartmouth experience that you can have if you want it and you try to have it. Don’t worry. </p>

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<p>I can’t speak to Bhuddism on campus. I can say that many students make time to practice their religion. It’s all about time management. It’s not hard to find time if you make it a priority to find time. That’s true about everything.</p>

<p>Thank you so much for the informative reply, rightnotleft! It is very helpful, and I’m relieved to hear that the DOC is its own little social scene. (I’m sorry if it seems I am stereotyping the entire school, I understand how my post could have come off that way.)</p>

<p>Everyone is happy at Dartmouth. I remember we had an exchange student who was there for a term and was complaining about the school. Everyone in the class turned around like she had three heads.</p>

<p>It’s an awesome place, whether you hang out in a frat, or not. Plus, lots of the frats are very non-traditional.</p>

<p>“Everyone is happy at Dartmouth” just is not true. I have a friend who went there and was NOT happy. She had gotten a large scholarship (assisted by a family friend in the application process) from an external source. She did not want to let the friend down, so went on and completed her degree at Dartmouth. But she did not have a great experience, partly because her passions were not among those that were strengths at Dartmouth. It was quite a few years ago, so the details are pretty irrelevant. But that blanket statement really isn’t true… the OP is right to be asking those questions. I personally think the OP has excellent self-awareness for a high school senior, and is doing the right thing to follow up. OP, you might ask the admissions office to link you up with an art major, and maybe also help you find a fellow Buddhist to email with to answer your specific questions. </p>

<p>I would say that the introvert question is very difficult for any extrovert to answer… extroverts really don’t understand the context or what “pressure” actually feels like to introverts. So finding an accurate answer to that question might be hard. Not sure the admissions office would be able to find you an introvert to chat with. :smiley: Of course, all admissions people ARE extroverts, they probably wouldn’t even see the point…</p>

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<p>My daughter '16 is an introvert (INTJ to be exact) and would be happy to talk to or correspond with you about her experiences so far. </p>

<p>One floormate did advise her that she’d make more friends if she went to the frat parties and drank alcohol (!!), but my daughter is content to forge her own path – studying hard and spending time with a club sport and in the woodworking and pottery studios.</p>

<p>the post is really helpful. Thanks</p>

<p>I’m gonna try to answer your question as honestly as possible, but you should be aware of a few things. 1) I think your question is rather flawed; anyone can be happy anywhere. What’s more, no one can predict what your experience at any school will be. Everyone, especially high school seniors, tries to pigeonhole what an experience at any one college will be like, and it just can’t be done. Most likely, your college experience will be defined by small things that you would never be able to foresee, like a single influential professor or friend, research you do, a group you join etc. 2) What you want out of college will definitely change, and even in a year your criterion for school will be completely different. Don’t think you know what you want absolutely, keep an open mind.</p>

<p>That said, I will try to give you my perspective as a current Freshman on what Dartmouth has been like for me. Just a warning, my thoughts are necessarily different than other people at different points in their Dartmouth career, and I am probably biased toward the school. I don’t have enough experience to know everything about the school in its culture, but I think I have an OK sense of things after 1 term. I know ED deadline has passed, but it can’t hurt to have more insight as a applying senior.</p>

<p>1) The Greek scene is dominant here. There are alternatives, and what the “Greek scene” constitutes is up for a lot of debate and interpretation, but it takes up most of the social life on campus. Some people are super ragey and go to dance parties, others are more chill and just want to play a game or two of pong, some go and bake cookies at Phi Tau. The Greek scene is not synonomous with drinking; any of those activities are easily accomplished without drinking, and more importantly without any expectation that you drink. People reeeaallly don’t care whether you not you choose to drink, you wont even get a second glance if you play pong and ask your partner to drink all the cups for you, or if you want to play with water instead. Most of drinking for freshman happens in dorms, so if you want to hang out in a frat without drinking, you can just skip the pregame and go out afterward. Keep in mind that, statistically you will probably drink at least a few times in college. Most freshman did not drink or drank sparingly in high school. I only drank my senior year, and I choose to drink here, but I have several friends who choose not to and are not inhibited at all by that choice.</p>

<p>2) The DOC has a very strong presence on campus, and you can go to their events as much as you want. They send out weekly emails with all of the events they are doing that week (normally hikes, sometimes more diverse trips), and it could not be easier to get involved. I did a trip on a whim in October, and it was a ton of fun and very accesible. Moreover, it does constitute a social scene in and of itself, so that is a great alternative if you get here and decide that the frats are boring/evil/patriarchal or whatever.</p>

<p>3) The introverted/extroverted issue is interesting. I would like to preface this by saying that Dartmouth could NOT be more inclusive and more welcoming toward all personality types, and you WILL find your personal space respected (unless you have a bad roommate, but, I mean, you can’t control that anywhere). However, Dartmouth as an institution tries to bring you into the community, and things like trips attempt to bring out extroversion and get people to interact. I think that this is awesome, and people who are normally shy or quiet are encouraged to bond in a rather short and intense time period. I immediately had a network of friends after trips because of this, and I think that isn’t uncommon.</p>

<p>4)Yes Dartmouth is an intellectual school, no doubt about it. The culture of intellectualism is probably different than other schools, but I think that is for the better. Dartmouth as I know it isn’t really into the uber-competitive self-congratulatory element of intellect. I think that’s a good thing. I don’t think I need to write a lot about this, you will find people like you here, and more importantly people that challenge you. No school has a monopoly on this. I have had numerous engaging conversations with friends and peers outside and inside the classroom.</p>

<p>5) I’m not really involved in visual arts. I hear that the classes are rather demanding, and if you choose to get involved with that area you wont be taking gut classes. I can tell you that I am a little disappointed with the lack of student art on display on campus. I could rant about the bad priorities of the Hopkins center for a long time, but you will have plenty of opportunities to grow as an artist I’m sure. Being involved in music, I can tell you the faculty and peer support is incredible, the institutional support and advertising is less than that. </p>

<p>6) You will find people like you at most places you go. I can’t guarantee that you will like Dartmouth as much as I have. As a high school student, you will fantasize about the perfect school, a composite of all the BS that admissions offices across the country have been feeding you for 4 years. I’ll tell you now that it doesn’t exist. At Dartmouth, there are people who like to party (maybe even excessively), and there are people who will make you feel like the biggest ******* in the world for sipping on Keystone in a basement. There are also a couple of normal people who will study with you for your History midterm, complain about the meal plan with you, and maybe even play pong with you if they don’t mind being embarrassed by much better upperclassmen.</p>

<p>thanks hdb1994! this really helps a lot. I am planning to apply RD to Dartmouth. Can you talk more about DOC? Does DOC expect you to have regular prior outdoor experiences?</p>

<p>How conservative are Dartmouth students in general?</p>

<p>Well about 2/3 voted Obama and 1/3 voted Romney - though most who voted Romney are more Libertarian than Republican.</p>

<p>Generally speaking, students here are socially liberal, though more divided when it comes to financial matters.</p>

<p>hdb1994 thanks, your post helped a lot.
Do you know how many international students apply and go to Dartmouth? I would really like to know if I had a chance :smiley: Thanks!</p>

<p>about 7% of the student body is international ([Faculty</a> & Students](<a href=“http://www.dartmouth.edu/admissions/facts/faculty-students.html]Faculty”>http://www.dartmouth.edu/admissions/facts/faculty-students.html))</p>

<p>I remember reading somewhere that the admit rate for international students is lower than the overall rate (something like ~6%, vs. ~10% overall) - can’t find a citation right now</p>