Could I get into Cambridge University as an American Student?

<p>I originally posted this in the wrong category.</p>

<p>I know the two main factors for American applicants are AP/IB scores and SAT Score.</p>

<p>I am an American junior and want to study mathematics. </p>

<p>I scored a 2400 on the SAT, and here are my exam scores (I marked the score in parentheses with an x next to scores that I have predicted for my scores—I know that I shouldn't do that, but I feel confidant that will be at least this high based on practice tests).</p>

<p>World (4)
Statistics (5)
APUSH (5)
Psych (5)
Calc BC (x5)
Physics C (both x5)
Econ (both x5)
English Language (x5… a little less confident on this one, but I've never done bad enough on anything for it not be?)
Spanish Language (x4… I could be a 5, but I doubt it.)</p>

<p>Any thoughts? Is it even worth applying given how competitive admissions are?
Without IB I think I may be hopeless, but I don't care.</p>

<p>go for it, those are amazing scores. im not quite sure what the entry requirements are, but you probably met them with those scores. it never hurts to apply. best of luck!</p>

<p>Oh heck yes you could.
They do not ask for school grades
There are only a couple other things you need, which are a “personal statement” (which is a list of extracurriculars in essay form), an interview with the professors of the school/your course (most likely via skype), and probably a test or two that you’ll have to take on math or something. Careful though cuz these tests may not be offered in your area…
I don’t know exactly how they weigh each part but those are strong scores and I think you stand a chance.
Also, I believe you may want to take a couple of SAT subject tests in fields related to your intended major? Dunno but that may supplement your application.
Don’t forget that the Cambridge deadline is oct 15.</p>

<p>you seem like a competitive applicant. I think you should apply. IB isn’t a necessity.</p>

<p>In addition to what achyif said, be aware of the really early deadline - October 15th and also the fact that you need to see what tests you need to take to apply for your specific major at Cambridge. These tests are administered only in some places across US and you need to take it about the same time as the application due date. </p>

<p>If you do get in, they will specify some additional conditions of admission based on your senior year like get a 5 on some of the APs listed for senior year and/or score at a specific level in SAT II.</p>

<p>There is also no financial aid and if you can’t afford it, you will need to take loans to pay for school.</p>

<p>^^ Their price is still berree That what American schools would give for financial aid.</p>

<p>Not necessarily. If you are lower income, many top schools in US fully subsidize you with no loans. There are others who give merit scholarships based on high stats. Cambridge will not subsidize you or provide merit scholarships which means you are full pay no matter what your grades are or financial status may be. </p>

<p>It is cheaper if you are going to be fullpay anywhere if you compare the price tag to other top schools in US.</p>

<p>You DO NOT write about ECs in your personal statement unless they are related to your course of study. UK unis don’t care about ECs. You need to make yourself look like a very focussed student. The complete opposite of the American preference to be ‘well-rounded’.</p>

<p>On a related note, they probably won’t care about any grades or test scores outside of sciences, so though you have to put them on your UCAS form, things like Spanish do not matter.</p>

<p>If you Google personal statement you will find lots of advice.</p>

<p>I think you have a shot but don’t forget you must INTERVIEW at Cambridge if they offer you one which to be honest they probably will. </p>

<p>The UK doesn’t care about well-roundedness. They want people completely focused on the subject they are studying. I.E. If you apply for physics they will probably look mostly at your Physics and Math AP scores and ignore the rest. During the interview (which is not just one it is likely 3 or more spread out over a few days) they will really grill you on your physics knowledge. Knowing information outside your curriculum and following physics research news would be very useful for that.</p>

<p>Cambridge and Oxford interviews are very different from the interviews common in the USA. They do not ask for knowledge in your field, but they will test your thinking and problem solving skills. Therefore you will be confronted with very unusal and surprising topics. Use the book “How to get into Oxford and Cambridge”. Good luck.</p>

<p>Ummm. Actually the mock-interview Cambridge has on their website specifically portrays professors asking students about their planned area of study.</p>

<p>Cambridge does not look at SAT scores so far as I know.</p>

<p>My daughter (who has American, Irish and British nationalities) was just admitted to Cambridge. It was a long and very stressful process, with a series of discreet hurdles over the last year. She was educated almost entirely in EUrope (France and Italy), developed a passionate interest (archaeology) that we actively encouraged, and had a conscious goal to get into oxbridge since the age of 11. Indeed, we mobilized the family focus onto her endeavor for the last two years, with tutors, attention, and on occasion, pushing. We also had a strategy for her bac exam, which she had to completely ace. This all sounds more orderly than it was, of course. We were never overly confident, though always hopeful. </p>

<p>Regarding the “receptiveness” of Ox or Cam, we visited both. Though she preferred Ox by reputation, it seemed closed and arrogant. Cam was open, friendly, and encouraging - the exact opposite.</p>

<p>Hi Okay124398, I think you’ve got a shot. Just a few things to consider:</p>

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<li><p>What college will you apply to within the university? Although there’s lots of information about the various colleges online, most US students applying don’t know that college choice can actually have a major affect on your admittance. I only know Cambridge ( going into my second year) but getting into Trinity for Maths (as the British call it) is much more difficult than say, Peterhouse. Although the pooling system does exist (in case you don’t know, if you apply to a college and the interviewers think you’re good but not quite what they’re looking for, they’ll throw you into a pool where other colleges can choose to take you), it’s not perfect. Choosing the correct college can make a big difference. </p></li>
<li><p>At Cam at least you’ll definitely have to take a special maths test to apply. Not sure if it’s online or in person during the interview period but I know it exists-and it’s hard. Just be prepared. </p></li>
<li><p>Are you absolutely certain that you want to study math and just math for your whole degree? UK unis have no gen eds and very little flexibility within programs. What this means is you’ll be studying math and only math for your whole degree. If you want to switch, it’s not that easy/common. </p></li>
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<p>One more thing, several people here have mentioned that financial aid is not available at UK schools. I don’t know about Oxford, but this is NOT TRUE at Cambridge. I have a scholarship that pays for nearly 1/3 of my tuition. Financial aid exists! Look into the Cambridge Overseas Trust ([Scholarships</a> | Cambridge Trusts](<a href=“http://www.cambridgetrusts.org/scholarships/]Scholarships”>http://www.cambridgetrusts.org/scholarships/)). The application is very simple (much easier than most financial aid applications) and they do give out large scholarships.<br>
Good luck!</p>

<p>Quite hard to say much more than ‘you have a chance insofar as your grades seem ok to get you to the next stages’. The decision will mainly be based on your on your interview, which will just be focused on solving maths problems. After that, if you are successful, you’ll get a conditional offer, which might stipulate that you get a certain number of 5s in APs etc. and will also include a STEP paper requirement. The STEP papers are the final hurdle (and one that lots of maths applicants who already have an offer fall down at): from what I hear they are seriously tough.</p>

<p>You’re a competitive applicant, but Cambridge admissions are always something of a lottery, even for the best UK students. I’ve seen some “dead certs” rejected and others who applied on the off chance get in. </p>

<p>Don’t forget that you can apply to up to five universities in the UK. For maths, I would suggest that you also consider Imperial, Warwick, Bath and LSE, amongst others. There is life outside Oxbridge (and indeed, outside London too) - Imperial is often considered to be on a par with Oxbridge for STEM subjects.</p>

Hi, I’m a student of dual citizenship in UK. I want to apply for Architecture at Cambridge. What did your daughter receive as her SAT or ACT score?

UK schools use A-levels (2 years of the same course, kind of like an AP test I suppose). Colleges usually expect 3 A-level scores, the highest being A, then A, B, C and so on. So for their admissions to certain majors(courses as they are called there) they usually post their score requirements/recommended requirements. so like, “For physics: AAA, in physics and higher/upper maths” (this example would be for a very competitive school, as getting an A is near perfect) (which means that among the 3 A-levels you’ve taken at school for two years, they expect a grades of A, A, and A. and they expect that you took the physics A-level and upper maths A-level.

In the UK universities’ international admissions requirements, when equating to US educational scores, they usually require you to have taken at least 3 AP tests with scores of 5. (depending on the competitiveness of the university they may ask for just a score of 4.) As for SAT scores, they usually want above 600 in each section. The AP scores are what’s important here. Sometimes they mention GPA, and usually they want above a 3.0 or 3.5 depending on the selectivity of the university. They don’t care about extracurriculars. During your admissions essay (you apply through UCAS, sort of like a common app equivalent i suppose), you mostly write about why you chose your particular course of study (aka major).

University in the UK is different than in America. These A-levels I speak of, it’s kind of like junior college. During their first two years of ‘high school’ they take AS-levels (I think that’s what it’s called). Then when they get to their 3rd and 4th years, they choose 3 A-levels to take. They take the same 3 courses for 2 years. It’s more specialized that way. In a way, this prepares you for your course/major. By the time you get to university, you will typically spend just 3 years there, but there is generally no general ed classes or anything of the sort. It’s just 3 years of your course/major. So it’s a great system if you already know for sure what you want to major in and are certain that you won’t want to switch in between. It’s difficult to transfer in the UK, it’s not that common.

So yeah, there’s some extra information about the reasoning behind the US requirements for UK schools and how they equivocate to their schooling system.

You’re scores are perfect. Precisely what a top student’s admission profile would look like.

Other note: when you apply (through UCAS), for Cambridge and Oxford you have to apply before October 31st (this date might be different if they’ve changed it). You can also apply to other UK schools at the same time by that date. You’ll get an update from the colleges giving you a “conditional offer” which means that you’ll be accepted based on whatever terms a specific uni gives you (say, getting AAB on your A-level exams). Seeing as you already met the requirements, perhaps they’ll just give you a unconditional offer which means you’re basically accepted (but you should still check to see if they ask anything extra of you).

Correction: Most UK schools don’t care about extracurriculars, except for Oxbridge (Oxford and Cambridge). They DO expect more from their applicants than just passing the requirements. They already have high requirements to begin with so if you have any amazing stories about how you saved lions in Africa or anything like that, feel free to write about it in your essay. (That’s not to say it’s impossible to get in, you just have to wow them). I think the fact that you already have like 9 AP tests planned, with no score lower than a 4 might be impressive enough to them. Just articulate yourself well and you should do find. Show that you’re a scholar.

Cambridge is very “good” and “wholesome” (for lack of better words). They like to see extracurriculars that show you’re a great kind person. In addition, of course, to having excellent grades. Oxford on the other hand is more focused on the academics alone (but that’s not to say that they don’t expect a lack of ECs).

Another thing of importance for UK schools when it comes to international students is that you can demonstrate funding. I think that’s part of the unconditional/conditional offer thing. Proof that you have funds to support yourself, ect. I’m not too savvy on this though, it might be a part of the application on UCAS or something additional that the university itself will ask of you to verify somehow. Being able to get a VISA, ect.

Good luck!

EDIT: yes as others have mentioned there is an interview and you have to take an exam when applying to STEM. i think it’s usually a math and physics test or something. probably just math if you’re just a maths major. you have to do that in the US though if you can. cambridge has a website where you can search for locations near you that offer the test. it won’t always be at another school, for example the one near me was a language studies center or something like that. you have to arrange to take that test, just follow the instructions on the cambridge website. they have practice tests you can take a look at. this is definitely one of the most important factors beyond just grades. this and the interview.

during the interview they just talk about the course you’re applying to, they try to ask you questions to try to understand how you think, your logic and what not. it’s actually pretty cool if you ask me. the questions might just be like maths problems or more logical stuff. philosophical. they just want to know if you can think, and if you can think, are you exceptional at it? are you the kind of scholar they’ll want at their college?

Otoribashi has a lot of stuff right, but some stuff very wrong. Cambridge does NOT care about you saving lions in Africa, or whether you are a good, kind person, or anything else not related to your degree. As a candidate for maths, winning a math olympiad and other things that show an interest in your subject that extends beyond the classroom would be relevant. Your personal statement is where you show a mature understanding of maths as a field of study and demonstrate why you are a good candidate for the course. The interview will be problem based. Cambridge won’t ask you for proof of funds, but the UK government will before they give you a visa to live in the UK while you study.

The other factual mistakes in Otoribashi’s post are correct in earlier posts on this thread.

Cambridge does NOT interview by Skype, so be prepared to visit if you get an interview.

Sticking up for Oxford: it felt arrogant to alcibiade’s daughter but not to mine; Cambridge felt just right to his D but not to mine. May have been the day, may have been the individuals: horses for courses, as they say!

If you are applying to Cambridge b/c it is the ‘science’ one and Oxford the ‘humanities’ one, that is a deeply outdated (and was never that true) view- you genuinely need to go subject by subject.

If you are applying to Cambridge because you noticed that it is ranked #1 with 100 points, v Oxford @ #2 with 99 points, that’s fair enough!

If you are applying to Cambridge because you have carefully read the math course description and it looks great to you, that’s the best reason: http://www.maths.cam.ac.uk/undergrad/course/

Forgot to say that you don’t need IB, but you do need 5s, esp (obviously) in the mathy ones. Also, the STEP test is given in June (only) so any offer would be conditional on that score.

@collegemom3717, the “fit” and perception are indeed subjective. It is important to visit each oxbridge campus if you can, because you will feel which you prefer in your gut.