Could weak ECs be excusable because of my unusual situation?

<p>Hi, I'm a high school sophomore, age 13, and I've been a community college student since I was 12. I'll be applying to transfer as a junior about this time next year. My tentative list of schools are Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Dartmouth, Columbia, UCB, and UCLA. I've been bouncing the idea of dropping out of HS in the beginning or middle of my HS junior year around with my parents. Until that time, I'll be busy with both HS and college classes. Because of this, I haven't had the time to get involved with many clubs or volunteer my time doing community service. </p>

<p>I've been reading the success stories of transfers to H, S, and Y. They all seem to have done 2000 community service hours, joined 12 clubs (and became officers of half of them), won 20 prestigious awards, and all on top of perfect stats. Yes, I exaggerated a bit, but my record can't even hold a candle to anything near that. I'm the secretary of one club at the college (Alpha Gamma Sigma) and I was a member of two high school clubs that have since then dissolved; I also have about 20 community service hours from this academic year. </p>

<p>I have a few questions for kind souls who have the time to answer them.</p>

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<li><p>Because it seems that all of the websites promise that applications will be evaluated in the context of the situation, would my lack of ECs be excused in light of physical improbability? (In the words of my counselor, I'm trying to squeeze 6 years' work into 2.) </p></li>
<li><p>Club joining period at my college starts Tuesday. Would you recommend for me to join some more clubs at risk of jeopardizing my GPA? </p></li>
<li><p>What's the best way to accumulate volunteer hours? </p></li>
<li><p>When I apply, can I list community service hours I earned and orchestral groups I was a part of during middle school? (I skipped 9th grade so 8th grade is considerably more recent than for most others.) </p></li>
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<p>H and S are my two dream schools but the rest I'd love to attend as well. Because of their selectivity, I want to make sure I'll be in the best shape I can be. My apologies for the length. A big thank you for whoever read & answered my questions!</p>

<p>well if your going to TRANSFER cross harvard off your list because they dont except transfers.</p>

<p>harvard does accept transfers, princeton doesnt accept transfers</p>

<p>Random_Monkey: After suspending it “indefinitely”, their transfer program has opened again. [Harvard</a> College Admissions § Applying: Transfer Program](<a href=“http://www.admissions.college.harvard.edu/apply/transfer/index.html]Harvard”>http://www.admissions.college.harvard.edu/apply/transfer/index.html)</p>

<p>I’m hoping it’ll stay opened for 2011.</p>

<p>Best way to get community service hours is to tutor, it’ll help your GPA and theirs.</p>

<p>Why don’t you finish high school, then take some time off and do something creative? What’s the rush? Even 18 year olds take gap years. If any of these colleges are smart, they will reject you because you’re too young, even if you’re smart.</p>

<p>wow they reopened it thats cool</p>

<p>I think your choice colleges will be intrigued that at such a young age, you’ve already been doing college work, but I think you should try to do more ECs. You don’t necessarily have to join 20 more clubs since you’ll clearly be doing them for college admissions and not because you want to, but try to volunteer more and maybe join clubs that have to do with the major you’ll be pursuing. Your guidance counselor does have the ability to explain your situation to the admissions officers, so they’ll take your ambition into account. I’m sure your school or college offers service clubs that you can join, and you can always just go on one of those volunteer match websites to find volunteer opportunities. And colleges don’t really look at middle school ECs, and sometimes not even freshman year, so you’ll have to plead your case with them. Good luck!</p>

<p>Sorry Endicott, can you explain your logic to me with more detail? I’m not sure if I’m understanding it correctly. Why would I want to wait to do something I can do now? High school isn’t academically challenging. It’s very boring there. Also, define “creative”. I want to travel if that’s creative in your mind. I’m going to Harvard’s SSP this summer & I hope to spend a semester abroad in Italy when I have the chance. </p>

<p>I also recall seeing stats that said Stanford’s accepted 15-17 year olds for transfer. Seems they aren’t smart in your view.</p>

<p>Thank you very much, nvilla & ravenclaw! If I could ask you guys another question, do you think it would be difficult to start and maintain a club? There’s an anthropology club in my school, and if I had to pick a second major, it would be definitely be anth. I am definitely considering joining it. My current major is psychology and there’s no club that pertains to it yet. I’m not very familiar with the process of running a club. If anyone has, can you give me some tips? </p>

<p>Also, my school has a “math lab” and an “English lab”. I was considering tutoring there because I enjoy tutoring, but it’s a paid job. It’s not volunteer anymore if it’s paid, is it? Do jobs also carry weight on an application?</p>

<p>Jobs carry weight on applications.</p>

<p>There are a number of colleges and universities that have early admission programs for students just like you. Take a look at the list at [Hoagies</a>’ Gifted: Early College Entrance Programs](<a href=“http://www.hoagiesgifted.org/early_college.htm]Hoagies”>Early Entrance College Programs | Hoagies' Gifted)</p>

<p>Thanks for the link, happymomof1! I’m already tied down with a Middle College High School and I’m already close enough to transferring, so I don’t think EEPs are for me unfortunately.</p>

<p>Would you say that job experience>volunteer hours? </p>

<p>Also, I forgot to mention this before. I did 6 years of piano, 2 years of viola, and 1 year of violin from private lessons up to my 8th grade graduation. Since then, I’ve been practicing independently. Could I add the years I was taking private lessons & years I’ve just been doing an inependent study on my application, list the years I did with an actual teacher, or not be able to say anything at all since the official instruction ended during middle school? (Sorry if that was confusing.)</p>

<p>Extra Curricular means anything that you do outside of your schoolwork. You do not have to play on the football team, or act in the HS play, or be president of the science club in order to have an EC. What you do need to be able to do, is describe the activities you engage in outside of class and homework hours. Paid work, major household responsibilities (e.g. after-school care for younger siblings and cooking dinner every night because you are in a single parent family), volunteer work, all of these things count. They help tell the story of who you are - as opposed to who that other kid is.</p>

<p>The colleges/universities you are looking at do indeed consider each applicant’s individual situation. Don’t worry about having something to fit into each blank in the application. Think instead about what you have done, and what you are doing, and figure out which of the possible blanks on the forms those things can fit into. If there is no blank that matches what you’ve done, write about it in one of your essays and/or have your counselor mention it in his/her letter. Or, put together a professional resume and include that with your application.</p>

<p>I think you may want to take another look at the colleges/universities on the Hoagies list. They have experience working with college students your age, and may be able to provide you with a more compatible learning environment.</p>

<p>I wasn’t aware of that definition! I got the impression that it was better to put down activities that were somehow sanctioned by a supervisor from my HS counselor. My father had a stroke about 7 years ago. He fortunately recovered but his memory and physical strength has suffered and since my parents are divorced, I now have to take care of most household duties. </p>

<p>The Hoagies list is very interesting (and I’ve coincidentally looked at some of the programs on there before) but I don’t consider myself as having extra educational needs. There are things like driving, voting, other legalities that I can’t do at my age but all I want from my college is to be academically challenged. I think there are plenty of universities that can fulfill that and I would consider myself compatible to most of them. However, I owe you great thanks for making a genuine effort.</p>

<p>Thank you so much for your great replies! I really appreciate it. :)</p>

<p>congrats, you have a great premise for your applications. While taking care of your father won’t show up in a check box, IT SHOULD show up in your essay. Your essay can convey A LOT and taking care of family at such a young age and accelerating your studies so much definitely distinguishes you from most. if you’re worried about check boxes join a few clubs you won’t participate much in and really focus on a few SPECIFIC things which will distinguish you, ESPECIALLY those related to your major.</p>

<p>My reasoning about why it would be inadvisable to go to college as a young teenager is that you will be missing out on a significant portion of what is valuable about college: forming friendships and lifelong connections with your peers. Sometimes people who are young are blind to how young they are. Even if you are a fairly bright young person, there is a lot of maturing that happens between ages 15 and 18. There are many things that only age and experience can help you cope with effectively. While not all 18 year olds have more wisdom than younger children such as yourself, they almost universally have some intangible quality of experience that gives them a different level of coping skills. Not only that, but their peer group would be each other, not you. You might be treated, at best, as a mascot. At a top level school your fellow students certainly would not be overly impressed with your brilliance–they’re brilliant, too, so you’d lose that “special” edge that you evidently feel you have now. My guess is that you feel out of sync with your peers at your school and that that is frustrating. But you certainly wouldn’t find peers in college because as a young child, you are not their peer. Another thing that makes me concerned that you have unrealistic expectations is your idea that you feel qualified to enter Harvard, Yale and Princeton as a TRANSFER student after going to community college without even finishing high school. At best–and this would be a huge stretch–I would suggest you apply as a freshman. Although there are occasional students who do go from community colleges to HYP, they tend to be exceptional adults with other accomplishments under their belt. By your own definition, you do not have extraordinary accomplishments under your belt. </p>

<p>If i had to guess, I assume that you have loving but somewhat naive parents who have an extremely high opinion of your brilliance and have lost track of the fact that you are a kid, who like other kids needs time to grow up. </p>

<p>Having said that, I have another suggestion for you: Rather than trying for college, if you feel that you truly are very intelligent, why not try to go to one of the top prep schools and meet other bright, achieving students? Schools like Exeter and Andover might be a good way of transitioning between living at home and being in college.</p>

<p>I think you need to back off using the word “transfer” if you are aiming for the top colleges. Many, if not most, of the applicants to these colleges have taken college courses of some sort in high school. My son’s good but not unusual high school offers nine dual credit (hs and cc) classes to anyone who passes a placement test. My D took three college classes (not CC but at a 4-yr college) during high school but they ended up not counting at her college due to the different course requirements. I think they may have helped with her admissions chances but the classes didn’t transfer. </p>

<p>My D goes to a good college and she tells me “everybody” is taking the same classes at CC next summer that they will be taking in the fall at their college so they can do better in their classes. </p>

<p>All this is to say that if you want to compete at the highest levels of college admissions you will likely be competing against students with prior college credits. However, it sounds like you have other life experiences that will make you stand out. Instead of, or in addition to, joining clubs a paid job or research projects are also good ECs. Doing well at contests such as science fairs is also a way to show your expertise. </p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>Thank you, xelink, for your input on my situation. Much appreciated. :)</p>

<p>I put a postscript apologizing for this but I suppose I should do it at the beginning: Sorry for the long post!!!</p>

<p>Very wise words, Endicott. I have to agree with your logic. However, I think that both of us can conclude that I know myself better than you. While I’ve made many good friends at my college, sometimes I wish I had my age tattooed on my forehead to partially excuse how awkward I am in certain social situations. (And yes, I need to inform my classmates because I’m told I don’t give the impression of someone younger. [I’ve gotten guesses of my age ranging from 15 to 25.])</p>

<p>“…there is a lot of maturing that happens between ages 15 and 18” So this can’t happen in college? If the typical college age stretched from 15-19, would you be saying that a lot of maturing happens between 12-15? I kid. :slight_smile: From what I gather, you’re referring to college prep time, right? Generally, the pre-university time is when a person has to go through the process of flying away from home (which I say meaning both family and a social network of friends, most likely from school) both physically and mentally, yes? We could argue about this, but I would say this is the process I’m undertaking right now. I completely understand that there are years that I cannot make up physically, but mentally, at least recently, I feel like my maturity has the ability to speed up. </p>

<p>Take for example my experience going into 10th grade. The first day, I slinked in my first period class, trying not to catch the attention of the big kids, which was hard because I was tardy. I felt like a fish out of water - all of the other kids had been in high school before. They knew what it was like and how to navigate through its halls while I was struggling to learn how to use a locker. On top of it all, everyone else already had friends. The first few conversations ended with me awkwardly staring at my tennis shoes while my new acquaitence found someone new to talk to. Through the months, I came out of my shell and actually started conversations. I knew what to say and how to make people laugh. I made a posse of friends, a mixture of sophomores, juniors, seniors, and college students, some of whom knew my age. Eventually more people found out and no one really cared. Some “found out” my age more than once. (The shocked face never gets old.) I became a, for lack of a better word, regular high school/college student. </p>

<p>The point of that rather wordy anecdote was that I believe that I do have the capacity to assimilate to a sub-society of 18 year olds. Remember, by the time I transfer somewhere, I’ll be 16, which is in your group of the more experienced. </p>

<p>“At a top level school your fellow students certainly would not be overly impressed with your brilliance–they’re brilliant, too, so you’d lose that “special” edge that you evidently feel you have now.” I don’t feel that I should be treated specially for my age. I’m trying to use it as a hook on my applications, but the whole purpose of accelerating myself is to really find a place I belong in. You’re right on the dot about my “special” edge. I spend 6 hours in high school every weekday with some very intelligent students but the majority of my classes are made up of the…slow types. Honestly, I’d just like to remove myself from an environment where burping the alphabet backwards is considered brilliant. I don’t care whether I’m the runt of the lot later as long as I’m in an academically challenging place.</p>

<p>Like I said before, I would be perfectly satisfied with UCB or UCLA or any of the non-HYS on my list - Princeton doesn’t accept transfers. Harvard and Stanford happen to be my dream schools so my applications to them are pretty much “what the heck, I might as well while I’m at it!”. My logic behind using them as an example in my OP is this quote: “Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you’ll land among the stars.” I’m fairly aware of the percentage of applicants admitted. I’m also very aware of how talented and brilliant the large majority of the rejected are. I’m doubly aware that I come off as very stuck up, especially when you can only see words that I type. Please try not to hold against me. :)</p>

<p>It’s probably not in my best interest to apply as a freshman. I’m not entirely sure how it works but I think my lack of high school classes and involvement will very much count against me. Plus, H doesn’t accept any transfered units from freshmen and S only accepts ~1 year of them. They’re very expensive schools and my family can’t afford more than 2 years w/o loans. My mother’s unemployed and my father’s disabled so the responsibility falls to me to take care of them financially, which might be hard if I’m paying off a loan as I go. </p>

<p>“If i had to guess, I assume that you have loving but somewhat naive parents who have an extremely high opinion of your brilliance and have lost track of the fact that you are a kid, who like other kids needs time to grow up.”</p>

<p>Two words: Asian parents. If I had a third, it would be stereotypical. </p>

<p>All in all, I really appreciate your input in my situation. I don’t think it could be said enough that your posts have a lot of value to me. In fact, I think I’m going to print a copy of them to take around with me this summer while I’m at Harvard SSP and exploring the world of college away from home. However, I think you have to understand more of where I’m coming from. (Abridged: Spring at age 12, I was suicidal. School was bringing me down and I hated my classmates in a way no 12 year old should be able to hate. I looked at the knife and I was too cowardly to take the coward’s way out. Summer at age 12, I discovered the world of higher education. I fell in love. I’m still on this earth in winter at age 13, body undamaged.) College makes me happy in a way nothing else does. Even just stepping on campus perks my sprits up. I hate that I’m required to spend part of my day in secondary school and I just want to plunge right into a 4-year university, my ideal personal paradise. Why do tomorrow what you can do today? :slight_smile: </p>

<p>(P.S. You sound like someone I know. Just curious, is your last name Glass and do you subscribe to National Geographic? In your responses to my posts, do you speak from experience? You sound like you’ve seen it all 100 times before.</p>

<p>Also, sorry for typing such a monstrosity of a post. I put it in MS Word and it equals the length of the paper I was supposed to be typing for English. I guess it’s just that my first week of a wacky spring semester’s ended and I’m in the mood for a conversation.)</p>

<p>Hm, well I know that getting credits to count from different school systems is tricky but I go to a California Community College so for the UCs at least I should be fine. I’ve been taking as close to a full college schedule as the law will allow me to (11 units) each semester. I hadn’t been fully thought about losing credits from lack of compatibility. I’ll try to talk to some representatives from my choice colleges about that though, so thank you for bringing it up, dsultemeier! </p>

<p>However, if I apply as a transfer student, what can I call it but transfering…? Applicansfering? Movingsfering? Freshmansfering? Ah, but I won’t be a HS student when I apply! Any suggestion? :)</p>

<p>EDIT: Oh I just reread your post, dsultemeier, and it just occured to me that my posts might have given you the impression that I was going to apply “normally”. Sorry, clarity is sometimes an issue when I type. My bad! I hope this part doesn’t come out jumbled like usual.</p>

<p>…Or maybe I misunderstood your post? Reading comprehension is also a problem when my day lasted 17 hours and counting. Sorry.</p>