<p>Hi CC!</p>
<p>I haven't gone to orientation yet, but I'm inclined to select the following courseload:</p>
<p>Econ 101</p>
<p>Psych 111</p>
<p>Classic Civ (more on this later)</p>
<p>Some sort of lower-level Biology class (I took AP Bio and understood a vast amount, but I'd like to take Bio 171, 172, or 173, provided they count as pre-med requirements)</p>
<p>-or- instead of Bio, I could do Math 105 or 115.</p>
<p>My idea is to take classes that I can get good grades in. I am aiming to go to a graduate school, so GPA is of the utmost importance.</p>
<p>My question to the forum is, how are these classes? Does it look like a good layout? Are these classes very difficult?</p>
<p>I'm not very good at writing papers and such; my B's in high school can be attributed to my lack of skill in the area. This is why I'm choosing Classic Civilizations over Great Books. I've been told that Great Books really grills your writing skills and those who have weak foundations will get burned.</p>
<p>I've also been told to drop Honors all together and take the same courseload and replace Classic Civ with English 125. </p>
<p>To be honest, I only did Honors just to live in South Quad :).</p>
<p>Thanks for any help you can give me!</p>
<p>Great books would also have a curve. I wouldn’t drop honors just yet if I were you if it was over an English problem; many English classes (like all of them) are closed 1st semester; that’s not even a joke. I’d only take Bio 173 if I were you- you would be in a weeder class as you know, and I sincerely doubt you can learn that much in your 600 people bio 171 class. I think bio 173’s closed regardless, so not like that matters (sorry) and math 115 is what I’d pick if I were you. I know you want to keep your gpa high and get used to the university and all, but you have to remember Michigan is a public university and many, many people don’t graduate on time for large public universities because they aren’t able to get their concentration requirements in by the time of graduation. I believe Econ 101 is supposed to be pretty difficult, and for picking an English class, I’d literally go through that rate my prof fesors website and look at the certain professors of the classes you were interested in. I don’t know how many credits you have, but I’d go for about 17 if I were you. I don’t know what Honcon means (in your title). As for honors, I’m not sure if you dropped it you could get back in but I heard honors doesn’t really mean much at all (in terms of workload)- you’d want to have an honors in your CONCENTRATION and I heard that definitely helps for grad school placement- that honors has nothing to do with the u of m honors program. good luck!</p>
<p>Thanks for your reply, but my sister graduated from medical school in 2010 and told me that being in honors college does not make a difference in grad school applications.</p>
<p>They look at standardized test scores (GRE, LSAT, MCAT) and GPA (Science GPA for med school).</p>
<p>Bio 171 is a weeder class? If I did well in AP Biology, should I still take it and expect to do well?</p>
<p>What do you mean the courses are “closed”? Does that mean they are not accepting more students? B/c my orientation is in a month lol.</p>
<p>My whole idea of doing honors was to live on central campus in South Quad; I have no care for the honors concentration title or whatever.</p>
<p>The Courses I have listed now give me 16 credits. If the Biology class has a lab, that will make it up to 18 credits.</p>
<p>i highly doubt any freshmen courses are already closed.</p>
<p>umich typically opens seats in classes throughout the summer, so there is less advantage to having an early orientation.</p>
<p>as for your schedule:
psych 111 is supposed to be a joke
econ 101 is a joke
intro bio courses are supposedly ok
classic civ (i’m assuming you’re not talking about the seminar) is supposed to be ok</p>
<p>none of those classes are particularly difficult, so don’t worry about that.</p>
<p>i agree that honors isn’t very beneficial for med school. i have heard from others that experience with patient care is a big plus for med school apps. </p>
<p>disclaimer: i am not pre-med, and i’m only an upcoming sophomore. i do, however, know a fair amount of pre-med kids and my brother and sister both go/went to med school.</p>
<p>both my parents and my sister are doctors (my other sister is at columbia dental). I can work at my parents’ office for patient care, so I have that perk.</p>
<p>I’m reading on ratemyprofessors.com that the psych professors are really cool 
, but the Bio professors, notably Ammerlaan, are not too good :(.</p>
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<p>No it’s the same program. It’s just that there’s two entry points. The first entry point you can get admitted right before school, and the second you get admitted right before junior year in the specific department. What honors essentially is (especially for the first two years) is a giant networking event with other honors students and professors. The first two are supposed to get you ready and prepped for the second half of the program. </p>
<p>The end goal of the program is research, so if you’re interested in that, you should stay in honors.</p>
<p>you’re going to have a lot of gsis btw, so don’t worry too much about the professor I’d say
and for the person who said that he doubted a lot of freshman courses were closed, I’m not even kidding, I was just at orientation, and there were SO many courses just CLOSED (not just saved seats).</p>
<p>I’m pretty sure bio 173 and most all of the english classes are closed. There might be several openings if they open up more sections or add more seats to the class somehow, but I’d really have a lot more backups if I were you. I went to orientation having a specific English class in mind, saw 1 seat open, and made thirty backups (cause so many were closed!) I did end up getting all the classes I got though, but I really do think I was a bit lucky.</p>
<p>I think it would depend on when you did bio 171. A lot of people recommend redoing it, and others recommend to not. You also have many options in classes to choose from btw too, so I’m not sure if that’s what you want to take. My advisor told me not to bother redoing a lot of classes, but that’s because I had a lot of interests in mind.</p>
<p>Also, I wish I had asked a lot more questions at my orientation, so make sure to do that! And I had a lot of classes mapped out and planned, and a lot of people wished they had planned beforehand as well (just letting you know).</p>
<p>^^
I assure you that freshmen english classes are not all full. </p>
<p>umich is not so stupid as to open all their sections at once.</p>
<p>Just conversed with a person who graduated from my high school and Michigan and is currently attending WSU Med.</p>
<p>I’m gonna take Classic Civ, Psych 111, Econ 101 (OR Math115 if I dont get credit), and a Bio class.</p>
<p>The workload distinction between Classic Civ and Great Books has blurred a lot in the last year. There’s going to be a table at Honors Orientation that discusses this, so I wouldn’t lock myself in just yet.</p>
<p>Traditionally, Classic Civ has more shorter essays, while Great Books has fewer longer essays. As they both fulfill the Honors “Text and Ideas” requirement*, they’re pretty much mandated to require the same amount of work.</p>
<p>Also, if you did well on AP, don’t waste time retaking 171/172. Unless you really feel you didn’t learn it the first time around. That’s a blanket statement for any AP, IB, dual enrollment, etc. credit.</p>
<p>*Classic Civ has an Honors section you must take for Honors College.</p>
<p>Hey does anyone know what the deal is with the english classes because they are basically all closed except the ones they purposely have closed for enrollment management. Are they going to open those up soon?</p>
<p>^^ read my posts above</p>