<p>Do you guys think this is manageble for a freshman? this is my schedule for next year. I am a preadmit but I plan to go for the dual degree (BBA/BS in Industrial and Ops Engineering) in 4 years</p>
<p>Credits I have so far</p>
<p>Physics requirement for Engineering (done, placed out of both Mech and E/M) -> 10 credits
Chem requirement (done, placed out of Gen Chem with AP) -> 5 credits
Math requirement (placed out of 115 and 116) -> 8 credits
Stats -> 5 Credits
Econ Macro/Micro -> 8 credits
Spanish, through placement test at orientation -> 6 credits (HUM sequence complete)
US History -> 3 credits
AP Euro -> 3 credits
AP Eng Lit -> 3 credits </p>
<p>Total - 51 credits</p>
<p>Econ 401 (I have AP credits for 101 and 102) -4 credits
Engineering 101 -4 credits
Math 214 (Linear Algebra for IOE) - 4 credits
ENGL 125 -4 credits
Total - 16 credits</p>
<p>Do you guys think this schedule is managable for a freshman? i mean i m kinda worried about econ 401 but that's the only one i can take becoz all the 300 levels have waitlist of like 100 people ....</p>
<p>I wish I got that many requirements out of the way. I've heard from every type of student that Engin 101 is a ton of work, too, although exact amount of difficulty is based on which section you're in.</p>
<p>well i heard that without any credits, BBA + BS in eng typically takes 6 years... but i m hoping with 50 AP credits and if I rush it..maybe I could finish them in 4 years...... but i dunno whether this schedule would be manageble..u know.. i kinda wanna join clubs and have a life and everything too while having a decent gpa</p>
<p>I'm probably a bad person to get advice from on classes because my class schedule combined with my activities schedule next year is ridiculous, time-wise if not work-wise, and despite all that, I plan on maintaining a social life, which basically means I have no problem with sacrificing a little sleep. Also, I'm used to overachieving smart people who spent as little time as possible on lower level courses before jumping to take all upper level math/econ/compsci/stats. But anyways...</p>
<p>I think taking classes to prevent spending 6 years in college is a good idea. I'm jealous of how many credits you already have out of the way for your respective schools. I personally think your schedule is very doable, if you keep up with everything, and very practical, although if you were to drop one thing, I think delaying Econ 401 for a semester would be the way to go. I also don't think it'll be that hard to maintain a social life. I don't like socializing EVERY second of the day, although some people might tell you that I do constantly like to be around people a little too much (I basically rotated among three rooms or so in South Quad last year, which is where I did most of my homework despite living in Martha Cook.). Being around people IS very important to me. I don't party or drink, so I don't know if having a more "typical" college social life would have changed anything time-wise.</p>
<p>Do you know what kinds of activities you're interested in? I put mine on 2-3 tiers based on time commitment, both because of the time commitment of the club in general and how dedicated I am to a certain activity.</p>
<p>A lot of people just never take the 300 level econ classes. I think most people take calc III before they do linear algebra, but it's not that important. You'll be fine.</p>
<p>You got 5 credits for stats? Also, make sure you're getting the credits for placing out of Spanish because I don't think they give retroactive credits unless you take the next level you placed into.</p>
<p>Anyway, I heard bad things about Engineering 101. Econ 401 might be a surprise after econ AP, which is a joke. (And considering that you're a freshman.) But I know freshmen who only placed out of AP and did just fine (B+ or better) in 401. Those are the ones who tend to major in econ. In fact, 401 might be a waste of a class if you're not pursuing anything (major, minor) in econ. If you want to speed up your dual degree, you shouldn't take much beyond what's necessary.</p>
<p>About transferring credits, up to 45 credits can be transferred to Ross, but since you're also in the engineering school, you can probably transfer all of it. I'm not too sure though.</p>
<p>"Also, make sure you're getting the credits for placing out of Spanish because I don't think they give retroactive credits unless you take the next level you placed into"</p>
<p>they do for COE...at least that's what my advisor said</p>
<p>wow, that schedule is pretty damn close to hell. It's possible, but I hear ECON 401 is very tough. engr 101 will be very difficult if you have never done any programming before in your life. I havent taken 214, but math classes usually give an ample amount of workload. </p>
<p>Normally i would say that its too much, but seeing as though you are a preadmit, i would assume you can probably handle it.</p>
<p>the logic behind taking 401 is that i m trying to have options avalible for myself...even tho preadmit is the main reason why I chose U of M, recently I have different thoughts.. I really want that engineering degree, and I m pretty sure I would go for MBA in the future, which makes BBA less of a neccessity..it would be great to get both the engineering and BBA in 4 years, but if I cant..i might pick up econ as a second major or try to do EGL (engineering global leadership) in 4 years, and give up as a preadmit...work in the field for acouple years and apply for MBA</p>
<p>Last I checked, economics and business are slightly related, people.</p>
<p>That schedule is not even close to hell. Many of my friends took schedules where Econ 401 was the blow-off class, not the hardest thing on there.</p>
<p>bearcats, why don't you try both... primarily engineering in year 1 and primarily business in year 2 and then make your decision? You seem to have enough credits to allow for this flexibility. You'll also have better information to make an informed decision.</p>
<p>Also, it's atypical for someone with a couple of years experience to get into a top MBA program.</p>
<p>What do you guys think about EGL where you get a masters in engineering with a business concentration in 5 years? I might wanna apply to that after this year and try to finish that in 4 years.... is that a good program for a business career??</p>
<p>maybe i've just been hearing too much of how much just doing a BBA would be a waste of my undergrad years ... i dunno</p>
<p>I plan on applying to EGL this coming fall (Its my sophomore year). The deadline is about October each year. </p>
<p>There is a lot of misunderstanding with regards to EGL. First off, you do NOT get any sort of degree in the business field. You get a BS and a MS in engineering when you complete the program. As far as im aware, it wont have the word business anywhere on the diploma. </p>
<p>That being said, EGL puts forth a lot of requirements. 12 credits of business courses, 12 credits of culture courses, and foreign language. Then you have to complete the master's requirements on top of that. This is a lot, but its
possible if you have ample AP credits. </p>
<p>From what i hear, its a good program. According to the website, a lot of EGL graduates land really good jobs in consulting and such. I suggest you find out more information on your own this coming year. You havent even started yet. Keep your options open, you will learn a lot this coming year about what you want to do. </p>
<p>With regards to business school, personally, i would rather get an engineering degree then an MBA, but plenty of ross graduates are able to land good jobs. This article was printed in the Michigan daily last year. Although its biased and (probably) exaggerated, it gives a inside perspective because a lot of incoming freshman don't really know what business school is like:</p>
<p>I've been thinking about the EGL program a little bit. I think I'm going to try it. I want to work in the manufacturing sector, likely automotive, and eventually get an MBA. Coupled with a ME, pretty much able to go up as high as you want in the industry.</p>
<p>Only problem is that I'm transferring to engineering and my gpa is currently like 3.46. Have you heard anything about people applying to the program third year? I've pretty much been taking engineering classes anyways, so I'm not behind or anything - I have Calc 3, Physics 240, Chem 130 all under my belt.</p>
<p>Wow, I've never seen a first semester schedule like that before. I had a friend who took both ENGR 100 and 101 in one semester. He said it sucked, and his only other class was Orgo. So that comes out to like 13 credits. Both ENGR 100 and 101 and either be easy or insanely impossible, depending on the student and the professors. A lot of people say ENGR 101 is extremely hard, but its a breeze if you have any experience in computer programming. ENGR is a bit trickier, some sections of it are very good, while others are terrible. My advice: stay away from the biomedical sections. Use ratemyprofessors.com religiously for this purpose, there are so many different teachers in the intro to engineering courses that it can make or break your semester. </p>
<p>Although I understand that you have a ton of AP credits, i wouldn't recommend taking two math courses at the same time. Math classes at UM are rather difficult in my opinion. Also, you may have scheduling conflict for exams, which can be a terrible hassle. Most lowel level math classes usually have test during the same date/time. </p>
<p>Your schedule is quite unusual, mainly because you came in with a lot of AP credits. Its entirely up to you, Im sure you review most if not all your options, just make sure you plan your ENGR classes well.</p>