CPA pursuit - adult learner

<p>That is what I am trying to come to the point.
Larger Public Accounting firms(Including Big 4, but not limited to) are looking for potential partner type in their college recruits. They do not like to recruit some one who will be at retiring age after 10 years of service. 10 years are the normal length of time to attain partner status from Assistant Accountant level. From attaining partnership onwards, its the real challenge starts. You will be responsible to sale services to the clients and you have a more financial responsibility - to Buy into the partnership. Yes, Jr. Partners has to contribute equity to get into the partnership, the formula is too complex to discuss here. All in all, no, they do not wish to hire AARP members as Assistant Accountant.</p>

<p>So, for AARP members to enter the Public Accounting field is a bit too late. The only firm you will get the field experience with probably is some small firm in town that pays ridiculously low salary just to let you get over the hump.</p>

<p>I am speaking of my experience from 10 years service at KPMG in the 1980’s and an AARP memeber. :)</p>

<p>SOX compliance would be an area that I would be interested in, and have experience in already. HIPAA, PCI compliance also. I have a knack for risk identification, and can walk people through risk assessments, and creatively/cost effectively advise on risk mitigation. I’ve also worked with auditors who do work with project managers and team members on very large projects - helping identify risk, whether financial, process or project governance related.</p>

<p>I don’t think I would be happy initially in a purely finance or accounting job. Audit would be a fine spot for me. </p>

<p>aw…hillbillie…are you saying they might discriminate against me? really??? ;)</p>

<p>Artlovers, thanks for your insight. That really does make sense. </p>

<p>However, not everyone will make partner…I can’t imagine that when they recruited some of these little whipper snappers that there was a thought in anyone’s mind they would make partner. I frequently have to lead them to the problem, and I practically write the report for them, or I have to make a lot of corrections to what they say they found. English is not always their first language.</p>

<p>Based on some of the job postings I see frequently, I am not sure it is quite as rigid as the associate route you are describing. They will say “Big 4 a plus”.</p>

<p>Just fyi - I’d probably be 48 when I finished this up. I am also fortunate in looking young…but resumes don’t lie well!</p>

<p>I have an accounting degree, an MBA (passed most of the CPA exam, got pregnant, stayed home and by the time I went back to work, realized unless you work in public accounting, an MBA is just as highly regardless in most industries and would allow me more job flexibility). I worked for a big 8 firm for a time before going into private industry. My husband, a CPA, worked for several big eight firms before going out on his own 15 years ago. My sister and father also worked for national accounting firms at various points in their careers).</p>

<p>In large public accounting firms, the only route is usually up or out. These firms recruit heavily from colleges (although that is not the only way in but it’s the most common for entry level). They pretty much have to recruit new students each year - it’s part of the the image of these firms (especially the big 4). As such, they are constantly having to make room for the next batch of new recruits. Because their business is based on the number of clients they have, they cannot be profitable if they are adding new staff each year so they have to ‘counsel’ people out of the firm at every level pretty much every year. These are generally people who are not seen as ‘partner material’. Some people make it all the way to senior manager or associate before they are shown the door. Some people at this level will hang around for a long while if the firm needs experienced people but in general, if they don’t believe you will make partner, you’re out. As Artsloverplus stated, being a partner means you 1) bring in new business and 2) keep current clients happy. It is, in essence, a ‘sales’ job.</p>

<p>You will see less of this in regional firms and even less in local firms but generally the salaries are lower and the training programs are less structured. The training you receive in a national firm is incredible but you will be expected to work 60 plus hours a week for a large part of the year. This part of the reason turnover is so high in these firms. People are either fired or they quit because it is a pretty demanding job. Another thing to think about is people in large accounting firms (unless they are doing tax) tend to travel a lot. I would think in a specialty area like risk advisory there would be even more travel involved than usual.</p>

<p>You might be able to get into a large public accounting firm. Your best bets are to have a 4.0 GPA in your accounting courses and to really hit it off with one of the people who is doing the recruiting. My experience was that they value people with a work background (because you’re not some recent college grad with no experience). I worked full-time for several years before completing college and that really worked to my advantage when it came time to find a job. On the other hand, you will be reporting to people in their 20s and 30s and that almost always works against you when it comes to landing a job. The big question in their mind is will you be resentful of having a boss 20 years younger than you and will you feel like you already know it all. </p>

<p>The other thing to consider is entry-level accounting work (either in public or private) is very, very tedious work. You are basically ticking and tying vast quantity of numbers all day long. There is generally no way to escape this if your state licensing board requires you to have a certain amount of auditing experience in order to be a CPA. </p>

<p>My husband has older people who recently got their CPA licenses applying for his entry level jobs all the time. Public accounting is extremely competitive. The big firms have the pick of anyone they want so it can be very hard to get a foot in the door. </p>

<p>BTW-with my MBA, working in health care, I make twice as much as what my husband pays his CPAs. You might want to contact the career center at the college you re thinking about attending and ask them some of your questions. They should have a good feel for the current job market, how older students make out in the recruitment process and what firms in your area offer risk advisory services. Good luck.</p>

<p>Of course, not eveyone will become partners. As matter of fact less than 2% of the “yearlings” will become partners. But for the eyes of recruiters, each of the newly minted has to have the “potential” to become a partner. Age, unfortunatly, is going to be a factor in recruiting. There is no AA requirements for Age.</p>

<p>I don’t want to rain on your parade, but that is what you have to consider when change tracks at our age.</p>

<p>No one is raining on my parade at all. I came here for advice and feedback and I have gotten exactly what I need.</p>

<p>I think I will research the master’s option more thoroughly. I would like to use my time and monetary resources to my best advantage.</p>

<p>I have read every post and found valuable information in each.</p>

<p>There is a host of new designations floating around. With your expertise in IT securty perhaps something in the world of forensic accounting? I think artloversplus is on point for the typical public accounting audit world however I think there is a need for individuals with your expertise in the forensic world.</p>

<p>I think it is cool to reinvent yourself career wise periodically. I’ve done it a couple of times and it has always resulted in higher career satisfaction and increased opportunity. Good luck.</p>