<p>I'm currently a senior in high school and I'm not sure whether to apply to the E-school or the college A&S for computer science. I looked at uva's website for the difference but it was pretty vague and just technical stuff. I know for the college you have more gen ed's related to the humanities and that's fine with me, I mostly enjoy those type of classes. Is e-school harder to get into than the college? I never took an AP sciences because I never had space for it (my county has a lot of dumb requirements plus I'm in band) but I am in AP calc. So would that weigh against me? Is there an advantage to applying to the e-school for job recruitment or internships, research etc?</p>
<p>Most students applying to the eschool will have more advanced science courses than you have, but honestly so would most people applying to A&S. Are you In state or out of state? Northern VA or rest of VA? It might not even be a realistic question to ask about getting in to UVA let alone picking which school. Have you taken AP CS? Did you get a 5?</p>
<p>I’m from Northern VA (ugh) and no my school just started AP CS this year and they said it was too late for me to switch. I’ve taken all honors sciences and gotten A’s in them. And yes I know about realism but just wouldn’t I have a better chance at applying to A&S than e-school? Aren’t e-schools always higher caliber?</p>
<p>Eschool has a better admit rate than the college, for those who are qualified to present themselves as engineers. In your case I don’t think that would be true. I’m just wondering how you know you want to major in CS if you haven’t even taken the AP test? If your backup major is another engineering, apply eschool. If your backup major is a traditional science, or something else entirely, or you don’t know, apply A&S. Hope that helps.</p>
<p>I can tell you that you’ll have some tough competition. I teach over in fairfax and last year at my high school someone didn’t get admitted because they chose to take AP stat junior year and AB senior year instead of AB junior year and BC senior year (or BC junior year because it’s common to skip AB). You can imagine the rest of their course load. The competition is fierce in nova and you need to have some backup schools ready.</p>
<p>@hazelorb The eschool is easier to get into than the college? HALLELUJAH THANK YOU JESUS (I’m also going for eschool CS. My school doesn’t offer much in the sciences but I’m taking BC senior year and took a CS community college class over the summer)</p>
<p>But I HIGHLY doubt that the student wasn’t admitted for those reasons. How can you even pinpoint the exact reasoning like that? You just can’t, and I’d bet an admissions officer would tell you that it was a myriad of things.</p>
<p>Yeah I kind of hate how intense NoVa kids are, it just makes it harder on all of us. The e-school is easier to get in? That’s surprising do you have any stats or the link to them? not that I don’t believe you I just want to see how marginal the difference is. I’ve taken up my own personal project to learn about computer science and I’ve done some programming and observed cs classes at georgetown and instantly (but pretty recently) fell in love with it. Plus I don’t think the AP CS class would have helped much, from what I hear so far the teacher is horribly underqualified to teach the course. </p>
<p>I’m in AP Calc AB, not BC. Does UVA do what Vtech does, if a student applies to the e-school and doesn’t get in but accepts them into the university? Would UVA do that and accept a student into the college? I do have back up schools, UVA isn’t a top choice but it’s up there. </p>
<p>Also I don’t know if this will help but I’m involved in A LOT of EC’s and have leadership roles. I volunteer for 2 STEM-based programs to help get young children interested/involved in STEM. Would that help me or is that all background noise that’s irrelevant?</p>
<p>The guidance counselor called in to speak with UVA because the decision was surprising, the admissions officer DID let them know that exact reason, and then our guidance counselor let all of the math teachers know so we would advise our kids to schedule accordingly. It’s very cutthroat. Have a back up school. UVA is not a sure thing for anyone.</p>
<p>Better SAT math score required (Like I said you have to be qualified) <a href=“http://avillage.web.virginia.edu/iaas/instreports/studat/dd/adm_math.htm”>http://avillage.web.virginia.edu/iaas/instreports/studat/dd/adm_math.htm</a> but admit percentage is higher: <a href=“http://avillage.web.virginia.edu/iaas/instreports/studat/dd/adm_first.htm”>http://avillage.web.virginia.edu/iaas/instreports/studat/dd/adm_first.htm</a> 29% college vs 35% eschool.</p>
<p>I think the median and 75% math SAT scores are more indicative of whether you are likely to be admitted than the overall admission percentages. </p>
<p>I believe DeanJ indicated elsewhere that they (admissions) do not break down their admission needs by college at this stage (but also admitted that they DO use the waitlist to fill gaps in specific colleges, come June).</p>
<p>Okay well I took the ACT last week so I won’t get the scores until next week. But in the practices I would get between 28-30 on the math section, is that the same level as the 50th percentile? And what type of things other than academics would be benefit me?</p>
<p>@hazelorb You can do that? That’s shocking. UVA gets like 30,000 applicants, can you imagine what it would be like if they allowed people to call in to inquire why they were denied? How would they even remember a specific student? Wow.</p>
<p>And that’s good news about the eschool haha. </p>
<p>freail, if you are rejected from the e-school you are not automatically considered for the College. It’s a separate application process for each and you can only apply to one. So, not like Tech. You have to have the academic credentials to be accepted - so while ECs are nice, they are not necessarily the tipping point if you don’t have a rigorous course load. </p>
<p>Engineering is very, very difficult and you are going to have some very tough competition to get accepted. D is a recent grad in CS from SEAS - Rodman Scholar - and there were several points during her time at UVA I wondered if she would survive. I suggest taking a look at the first year curriculum for engineers and honestly ask yourself if you feel prepared for it. It is possible to earn a BA or a BS in CS - here is a link that explains the differences in the requirements. This may not be the most current information, but it will give you a general idea. </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.cs.virginia.edu/ba/curriculum/differences-between-cs-degrees”>http://www.cs.virginia.edu/ba/curriculum/differences-between-cs-degrees</a></p>
<p>Good luck. Have a backup plan. </p>
<p>FFX co sends over 500 students to UVA each year. There is a very close relationship between my school’s guidance and UVA’s admissions. It is one of the top high schools in the area (not TJ but we actually sent more kids than them last year to UVA) so I just know that they have a good relationship.</p>
<p>enrollment by county: <a href=“http://avillage.web.virginia.edu/iaas/instreports/studat/dd/enrl_city.htm”>http://avillage.web.virginia.edu/iaas/instreports/studat/dd/enrl_city.htm</a></p>
<p>I’m fine with not applying to the eschool but would I get the same opportunities as a CS in the college? In terms of job recruitment/internships/research opportunity, etc? I have taken rigorous courses, APs in everything except the sciences because of scheduling conflicts. </p>
<p>^^ if there is ANY place that UVA admissions would have a close working relationship with GCs, it’s Fairfax County. Something like 18% of all UVA students are from FFC.</p>
<p>The classes are the same (professors/etc). The BA/BS students are all mixed together in the classes. The only difference is if you get a BA or BS, and the classes outside of CS that you take to get that degree. I know two girls who graduated the same year who both went to Berkeley for CS grad school. The one with the 3.97 GPA btw was doing the BA (and an echols scholar). No difference at all other than the non-CS classes.</p>
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<p>Hazel, perhaps I am misunderstanding your post, but while the CS course offerings are the same for both degrees, the BS degree requires CS courses that the BA does not. The curriculum and requirements continue to evolve over time. </p>
<p>Either of the CS degrees is complex and requires careful planning. </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.cs.virginia.edu/acad/cs-ug-hbk-13-14.pdf”>http://www.cs.virginia.edu/acad/cs-ug-hbk-13-14.pdf</a></p>
<p>Of course there are CS classes you get to choose whether you are a BS or a BA, since many top level classes are electives in a sense. IE I took HCI which is an elective and it had a mix of BA and BS people in it but is an upper level class. The BA requires more non-CS electives which count as CS courses, like music & computers is a choice I believe. However no employer would care and no grad school would care BA vs BS since the core is basically the same. It’s more a matter of the electives: engineering electives or college electives.</p>
<p>Okay thank you. I think I will apply to the college then, that way I could pursue humanities and social sciences courses since those have always been a strength of mine. </p>