Dartmouth or Notre Dame

<p>very few Ross grads were getting recruited this year at U of M.</p>

<p>Something else to consider: I’d worry if someone was choosing a college based on concerns of getting a job in this economy. Because, almost surely, the economy will not be in a different state when they graduate in four years.</p>

<p>And I think there is a very real Ivy advantage. If I recall the figures correctly, Dartmouth’s career services office put out an information table a few years ago showing that Dartmouth history majors made it to medical school at a higher rate than biology/pre-med majors at many other non-Ivy elite schools. And that’s without Dartmouth screening applicants.</p>

<p>^ well lets hope the two latest Secretaries of State, one Republican and one from the Democratic party, both Dartmouth alum hired by Yalies and Harvard/Yale/Princeton connected prove you wrong-- nevertheless, I am all four undergraduates of diversity going for law and medicine-- expands their minds!</p>

<p>^^Huh? That latest two Secretaries of State are not Dartmouth alums. They went to college at Wellesley and University of Denver, respectively.</p>

<p>i got my official acceptance letter in the mail today and it says that tuck business school will start offering undergrad courses now…maybe the start of an undergrad biz program at dmouth</p>

<p>IvyIsGreen means the last two Secretaries of the Treasury.</p>

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<p>No chance in hell.</p>

<p>They’re just trying to create more opportunities for undergrads to benefit from the grad schools. At the end of the day, it is all about us (undergrads).</p>

<p>wisconsinguy, thanks for correcting my miswrite-- current and last Secretaries of the Treasury are from Dartmouth.</p>

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<p>For the 782nd time, you can get a perfectly good Engineering AB in four years. And if you’re going to insist on claiming that it’s somehow inferior, then the engineering website says that it’s possible to do a BE in four years, as well. These are all perfectly good degrees, there are some very successful Dartmouth engineers out there as far as I can tell.</p>

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<p>Umm…okay…and at Dartmouth you…can’t? Now look, you spent a bunch of time knocking Dartmouth for being too liberal artsy, and now you’re saying that it’s too hard to switch majors. Last I checked, it is MUCH harder to switch majors at a school that has different divisions within it. I can’t say I know specifically about ND, but at a lot of schools with separate schools of engineering, business, nursing, etc. you have to APPLY to transfer from one school to another and they will only let you if they have space in the program. There are no such restrictions at Dartmouth and changing majors is as easy as filling out a new card. You can change your major every day from sophomore spring until commencement as long as you (obviously) can demonstrate that you can amass enough credits to fulfill all the major requirements.</p>

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<p>Yes, but that’s not because it’s Dartmouth but because NO ONE is getting jobs on Wall Street right now. I am sure the percentage of ND grads getting jobs on Wall Street is also significantly less. The fact that an Accounting major is providing you “real job” training is great, but I don’t see any particular reason to think that accountants aren’t also being laid off. I mean, you make some good points about how the economy is screwed up right now, but I don’t see how you are differentiating between Dartmouth and ND with those points. And the whole point of getting a “liberal artsy” econ major is that it provides you more flexibility by teaching you theoretical underpinnings that you can apply to a wide variety of fields, whereas something like an accounting major locks you into just one field and if the job market in that field sucks when you are graduating, you are screwed.</p>

<p>I’m sure there’s some other stuff you said that I disagree with but I’ve wasted enough time as it is.</p>

<p>Clearly MiPerson80 is upset S was waitlisted at D, and is
rationalizing ND. (he did go there)</p>

<p>leave it at that.</p>

<p>but S was accepted at Duke, Duke is 8# USNWR, Dartmouth is lower ha!@</p>

<p>But I did read that 30% of the seniors at ND this year don’t have job offers, and I am sure Dartmouth liberal grads are just as high.</p>

<p>The point is that , as a parent, it would be nice if your child could got a JOB after spending $200,000 for a private liberal arts school education. Internships don’t pay back loans very well!</p>

<p>I am sure a lot of parents would trade that private school degree for an accounting degree from Michigan State right now.</p>

<p>Also, as an engineer with a BS and a MS, I never heard of a BE or an AB degree. just Bachelor of Science…I am sure a lot of questions are asked on what this means (please don’t say “it means more well rounded”) at interviews.</p>

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While I’m not sure if that’s still the case, I was the history department’s open house a few days ago, and a surprisingly large portion of history majors go on to medical school, so I wouldn’t be surprised at all by this.</p>

<p>The BE is an internationally-recognized degree so I’m not sure what all the fuss is about: [Bachelor</a> of Engineering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_of_Engineering]Bachelor”>Bachelor of Engineering - Wikipedia)</p>

<p>I’m sure there are good reasons to pick ND over Dartmouth. But overall I think it’s hard to top Dartmouth as far as undergraduate education goes. And really, whether a liberal arts or professional degree is best for you depends on, well, you.</p>

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<li>Accounting majors aren’t necessarily getting more or better jobs right now.</li>
<li>How about considering the next 50+ years of an upcoming grad’s life?</li>
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<p>^^ agree</p>

<p>a more important question…who is attending college, the parents or the child?</p>

<p>parents pay, but we don’t want some boomer-rang kid showing back up at home without a job…but of course there is always the Marines</p>

<p>some boomerang kid. nice.</p>

<p>and you should replace the “but” with “and”, regardless of which school is chosen.</p>

<p>At Notre Dame premarital sex is illegal, you have curfews, and no co-ed dorms.
That should be important to know.
Dartmouth seems to have some of the happiest kids on the planet, tons of academic freedom, and if you think that ND will get you a better job than dartmouth you are pretty screwy (still, ND’s alumni connection is super tight, but it is nothing compared to where a Dartmouth degree will take you)</p>

<p>Fortunately, I was lucky enough to have the same choice, Dartmouth won by at least a million miles after a ton of research and visits.</p>

<p>I got a great financial package and merit-based scholarship from Notre Dame. Still, I have no doubt that Dartmouth is much better school.</p>