Dartmouth V.S. Brown

<p>hi there, I'm new to this website. I'm a 'rising' senior in highschool and I've become really interested in Dartmouth and Brown, I just can't decide which one I like better.</p>

<p>What are the major differences and similarities?
Compare and contrast... </p>

<p>1) Academic scene
2) Campus location and closest city/town location
3) Social scene
4) Campus population
5) I like journalism and theater.. which school is better at these?</p>

<p>I don't know what I want to major in yet... don't take that into account</p>

<p>I can't think of anymore.
Also, I know Brown is "uber-liberal".. but how, Politically or culturally.. like laid-back?? </p>

<p>Thanks a lot! :)</p>

<p>Bica, you're in the same pickle that many before you have been in as well: you realize both are great schools and that it's almost impossible to determine which one is better. In fact, if you go to the 'search this forum' option, you can type in dartmouth vs brown and check out other posts. </p>

<p>I don't know many specifics, but I can give you my sense of the major differences between the campuses. I have a good friend at Brown and I know she loves it as much as I love Dartmouth. You should apply to both schools and make sure you visit both campuses before making a decision. </p>

<p>Both schools are known for their academic rigor. They both offer diverse majors and courses. While Dartmouth has certain distribution requirements (you have to take at least one course in the arts, one course in the sciences, etc), Brown has no requirements and allows you take whatever you want. Most students find this academic freedom exhilarating, while others might think its a little daunting.</p>

<p>Dartmouth is located in rural New Hampshire. Dartmouth pretty much IS the town of Hanover. However, Hanover may be small but it has several restaurants (thai, american, chinese, indian, italian, etc), a CVS, a movie theater and a couple cute clothing stores. West Lebanon is about 30 minutes away but seriously it took me an hour and a half to get there by bus. There are several chain restaurants there, a walmart, a staples, a grocery store, a JC Penney, and some other stuff. Concord and Manchester are an hour and a half away and have real live malls and downtowns. Boston is two hours away. </p>

<p>On the other hand, Brown is a 10 minute walk away from the hustle and bustle of Providence. My friend loves her nearby access to restaurants, clubs, movie theaters, and shopping. </p>

<p>If you like to party, the frats are the place to be at Dartmouth. If you need a break from the frats, Dartmouth's Programming Board puts on fun events like comedy performances and quiz nights (and much more im forgetting) and the Hopkins Center offers a ton of movies and dance, theater, vocal, and musical performances.</p>

<p>Brown doesn't have much of a frat scene but the entire city of Providence is yours to play in. Clubs replace frats, and there are many other places to go to have a good time.</p>

<p>Dartmouth has around 5,000 students and I think Brown has a couple thousand more. </p>

<p>Don't know much about Brown's journalism and theater offerings, but Dartmouth has a great English major and many campus newspapers you can write for. I am a HUGE theater fan and love to check out campus improv shows as well as everything from the mainstage plays to the 10 minute play festival. Wired, an event in which plays are written, directed, and performed in 24 hours is also an amazing event every term. The Hopkins center also brings national theater groups and I was wowed by an avant-garde performance of The Doll House. Also, Edward Albee visited last term and gave a couple of talks.</p>

<p>Brown is known to be pretty liberal politically, but I'm sure they have a healthy conservative population too. In the last election, I heard Dartmouth voted 70% for Kerry and 30% for Bush if that tells ya anything. Liberals and conservatives are both well-represented by campus groups and newspapers at Dartmouth.</p>

<p>I hope this answers some questions! Remember: both are fabulous schools and you should definitely visit both before making any decisions.</p>

<p>biggreen, thanks that helps a lot! yeah i was going to apply to both and i'm pretty sure the campus visit will seal the deal as to which one i like better.</p>

<p>I was pretty much down to these two in the month of April. And yes, the campus visits did "seal the deal" so to speak. I guess my expectations for Brown were too high or something. I found the campus a little cramped and the buildings pushed together (well obviously, it IS in the middle of a city). I hadn't visited prior to getting accepted, so the only idea I had in my head was the website and their pictures. Now looking back, it seems almost that their pictures have a fisheye effect on the green to make it look more spacious.
Other than that, Providence was cute, but maybe I'd expected some ritzy little city. It was more like the city I had grown up in when I was little and didn't do much for me now. I preferred the open spaces and amazingly fresh air of Hanover :)
Now whenever I tell my acquaintances that I'm going to Hanover, they rush to tell me that it's cold in New Hampshire and there's probably nothing to do. Except that these people have never been out of Texas. And obviously, these are things that I've thought about when making my decision.</p>

<p>Welp, that's just a little of my experience there. Good luck in the application process next year :D!</p>

<p>congrats for admission into dartmouth, that's great. is dartmouth too rural? i know there are plenty of things to do, but i know providence has a lot of cute shops and restaurants. i come from a smaller city, 100,000+ but i go to a pretty large, high school, 1800 +, and im looking for the opposite in college. a nice city, but smaller undergrad. population</p>

<p>i actually had to make the same choice this spring. after visiting both campuses, dartmouth totally won me over. there was a huge sense of community and pride within the student body...one that couldn't be overlooked. i was greeted graciously and everybody made a huge effort to win over prospective students. at brown, i didn't feel too comfortable. nobody went out of their way to greet me or even talk to me...i was basically on my own. Providence has a really high crime rate, too. brown's lack of a core cirriculum sounded great initially...but after chatting with students it seemed as though most of them got lost in it for a while. it basically comes down to preference...i can't stress how amazing both schools are. best of luck.</p>

<p>This is so close to home, so I guess I'll write alot. Dartmouth/ Brown was my choice as well and I ended up choosing Dartmouth but not after some serious thinking. The funny thing is that even after serious contemplation, I literally could not decide and choose Dartmouth basically after a coin flip of sorts lol! During college I visited Brown probably 7-8 weekends, however, so I know it really well. The great news is there is no wrong choice: I loved Dartmouth more than anything, but I am totally convinced I would have loved Brown just as much. These are by far my two of most favorite schools (throw in Stanford as the other).</p>

<p>1) Academic scene
I don't know much about Brown except the obvious lack of a core. Dartmouth's distributives are very broad so honestly to me it was a benefit if anything in that it forced me to take a couple classes (like Acting for my art) that I might otherwise not have taken. Dartmouth is awesome in terms of teaching and professor engagement, and the school is absolutely focused on the undergrad. I was an anthro major and I got $10K for my thesis research and TWO incredibly active thesis advisors. I literally had some classes with less than five people at the upper levels. Dartmouth professors take you to dinner, they encourage you, and they are amazing. I think part of the reason Dartmouth grads do so well at grad school admissions is the fact that they know their professors so well. Frankly its amazing. I am sure Brown's academics are great too, but Dartmouth does have a terrific LAC-like feel. People love to discard the D-plan but I thought it was awesome. Sophomore summer is most students favorite term and getting to go on two-three study abroads is rare. The only downside I have heard is that the science classes are slightly harder since you have less time to absorb and the pace is slightly faster. </p>

<p>2) Campus location and closest city/town location
In my opinion Brown's nearby Thayer Street blows Hanover out of the water. East Providence is hip, cool, and there are alot of great restaurants and it really does cater to students. Providence itself isn't that wonderful, but its awesome in the area where Brown is located. Conversely, Hanover is beautiful but I found the town to be more stodgy and its not catered to students. In terms of the city, Brown wins bigtime.</p>

<p>ON the other hand, Dartmouth's location in the mountains is amazing. The outdoor access is awesome, people ski during the winters on the skiway, jump in the river in summers. To be honest only a select group of students are into the hardcore outdoors. Its the casual outdoor stuff like snowball fights during the winter, riding your bike through the beautiful fall leaves, the swimming in the river during summers, BBQs by houses on the river, the awesome stars when you are out at night, etc, etc. During the summer the campus feels like a magical summer camp, during the winters its charming and warm. </p>

<p>3) Social scene
Brown is very active socially. The dorms restrictions are very lax so first-year parties abound. There are house parties, frat parties, bars, and people even venture downtown to clubs. Its a more cliquey scene, however. Different groups tend to stick together more, so its less community oriented. Its safe to say I think that people walk away with great friends, but it feels more like a University than Dartmouth. </p>

<p>Dartmouth is very community oriented. The Greek scene is huge, but its unlike any other greek scene anywhere. The houses are all open for parties to everyone and there's actually a campus list publishing the big parties that weekend. What usually happens is there will be two-three big dance parties a night plus lots of houses will have smaller groups hanging out. The cool thing is there is usally alot of energy as everyone is going to the same key places or are at least aware of the big parties. Its absolutely open and everyone is absolutely friendly. In addition to the greek scene there is a house party scene, smaller gatherings in dorms, plus niche scenes like the organic farm crowd or the Ledyard Canoe club crowd. The nights are full of activity. Dartmouth's downside might be that its jock culture does have power with the frats, places like Chi Heorot, Theta Delt, and Psi U are centered around sports teams and I think this can intimidating. The upside is there is a large social scene outside these places.</p>

<p>I think its safe to say Brown has smaller gatherings for niche groups (although there are big parties!), while Dartmouth has bigger parties that everyone goes to all the time. </p>

<p>4) Campus population
Both are equally diverse, although Dartmouth is conceived as less diverse than Brown the truth is its actually slightly more diverse. But since its smaller the sheer number of members of these groups is smaller so there is less "minority cliqueyness." In this way its amazing, people interact between groups at Dartmouth amazingly well. Yet I think some minority groups find comfort in sticking together and someone who grew up only hanging out with a particular minority crowd might like Brown more. Also, Brown does "feel" more international in terms of student makeup. </p>

<p>In terms of student politics I would say there is a huge overlap of "liberal" students at both. Dartmouth is more accepting of people with a conservative (libertarian) point of view, but overall I'd say 75-80% of Dartmouth is liberal while 85-90% of Brown is liberal. Frankly its not that large a difference. </p>

<p>Overall thought the students at Dartmouth overwhelmingly are the playful, fun loving, brilliant type. People tend to play down themselves which is great and refreshing among the Ivies. My experience with Brown students is that they are very similar but a little more "edgy."</p>

<p>5) I like journalism and theater.. which school is better at these?
No idea. But Dartmouth does have great theater and actively supports it. I am sure Brown does as well, maybe better, maybe worse. My guess is both are equally respected in the journalism field. </p>

<p>Hope this helps!</p>

<p>wow, thank you so much!</p>

<p>one big question: what are the dorm policies? </p>

<p>are they completely single-sex resident buildings, or are they seperated by wings in the same building? </p>

<p>can guys and girls spend the night in each others' rooms? </p>

<p>this sounds stupid, but is there a curfew of any sort?</p>

<p>Also,
can you be more specific on the clubs, are they just like big dance, night clubs? that sounds like fun.</p>

<p>ALSO, </p>

<p>can you expand on the academic curriculum?
Tri-mesters, right? Is that stressful, having tests every so often? How do you deal?</p>

<p>FYI: Academics will be my number 1 priority in college, but I also want a lot of partying and social scene. I don't want my grades to slip...</p>

<p>Thanks for the informative post, Slipper. I'm considering both Brown and Dartmouth, leaning slightly towards Dartmouth, and reading about it from a student's perspective definitely reinforced that. :)</p>