Dartmouth vs. Northwestern, please help

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<p>slipper1234: "Being that this has become a defensive conversation, I might mention that Northwestern has never been ranked higher than Dartmouth College in any US published ranking, in the history of such rankings, ever for undergraduates."</p>

<p>Ah, how quickly slipper forgets Northwestern's #1 academic ranking a couple of years ago by a certain competitor of CC (It's hard for Dartmouth to be ranked ahead of a #1 school, isn't it?):</p>

<p><a href="http://www.northwestern.edu/univ-relations/media_relations/releases/08_2002/princetonreview.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.northwestern.edu/univ-relations/media_relations/releases/08_2002/princetonreview.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I love when people make such great comments :) ...</p>

<p>(Who did you say was making rediculous statements?)</p>

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<p>slipper, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Earlier you said who cares about economic rankings. Now you're coming back to use the rankings to your advantage (albeit I take the US News lightly). It's either one or the other: you use the rankings or you don't. So, which one is it?</p>

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<p>slipper1234, </p>

<p>You do have a habit of making baseless claims. You work in sales? LOL!</p>

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<p>WOW you found one year in the history of US college rankings that ranks NU higher (I might add that PR is a commonly disputed ranking, and academics are only one component). </p>

<p>Grad program rankings? They are pretty irrelevant. You should hope so, or your rival Chicago, and even Michigan, have you beat pretty handily.</p>

<p>If you look at my previous posts, I continually have mentioned that NU, like Dartmouth, is a top school. You guys got on the defensive, so I am defending back.</p>

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<p>Just as an aside, that Northwestern has to rely on the Princeton Review or Gorman Report to be ranked higher than Dartmouth:</p>

<p>NEW METHOD OFFERS BETTER WAY TO RANK UNIVERSITIES, RESEARCHERS SAY
July 26, 2000</p>

<p>GAINESVILLE, Fla. --- A group of University of Florida researchers has developed a new way to evaluate America's top research universities that they say is more objective, reliable and useful than other popular annual college rankings...</p>

<p>the study displays the top universities in two tables: one for private institutions and the other for public universities. The tables group the institutions by the number of indicators for which each ranks in the top 25 nationally. The top group consists of the private or public universities that rank in the top 25 on all nine indicators included in the study. The second group includes those with eight indicators in the top 25, etc...</p>

<p>Those nine indicators are:</p>

<p>total research and development expenditures,
federally sponsored research and development expenditures,
number of faculty who are members of The National Academies,
number of significant faculty awards,
number of doctoral degrees awarded,
number of postdoctoral appointments,
average SAT scores,
endowment size, and
amount of annual private contributions.</p>

<p>...10 private universities had all nine measures within the top 25 schools in each category. They are: the California Institute of Technology, Columbia University, Duke University, Harvard University, Johns Hopkins University, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Northwestern University, Stanford University, the University of Pennsylvania and Yale University.</p>

<p>In the public sector, four schools had all nine indicators within the top 25 schools in each category: the University of California-Berkeley, the University of California-Los Angeles, the University of Michigan-Ann Arbor and the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill.</p>

<p>I don't see Dartmouth's name on the list.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.napa.ufl.edu/2000news/topus.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.napa.ufl.edu/2000news/topus.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://thecenter.ufl.edu/research2000.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://thecenter.ufl.edu/research2000.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>
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Actually Slipper, Goruman ranks Northwestern higher than Dartmouth as an undergraduate insitution.

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<p>Guess that's not as good as US News either. LOL!</p>

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<p>Did you notice that the ranking was for graduate "research universities?" Of course Dartmouth isn't a top research university! I would NEVER go there for a masters degree. Its pretty much a LAC. So, because so few Ph.Ds are there there aren't going to be "postdoctoral appointments" or "doctoral degree awarded". Once again, this ranking really doesnt apply to undergrad schools.</p>

<p>Oh yeah, Northwestern must be better than Princeton too, which also isnt ranked there (another undergrad focused school).</p>

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<p>
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You guys got on the defensive, so I am defending back.

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<p>Others (including myself) were just pointing out how baseless your claims were and we showed contradictory data. That's all. The whole thing started pretty much from you putting those out, including the one implying that greater "number and quality" of recruiters that show up at Dartmouth. LOL! You forget that already?</p>

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<p>Slipper,</p>

<p>I noticed that you withdrew your comment that NU and Dartmouth were academically equal. Noticing your peace offer, I was going to put down a similar comment in response but, ha, I guess you couldn't bring yourself to say it. So I withdrew my comment as well. :)</p>

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<p>I was looking back at my posts and initially I was pretty nuetral, then a "Northwestern top 10 econ dept" comment was posted to rile things up, which got myself, Sam, and Benz in a tug of war.</p>

<p>Both are top schools and will get you to the same place in the end. I preferred Dartmouth, others might prefer NU.</p>

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<p>Like the sticker on my bumper--War Is Not the Answer. ;)</p>

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<p>Haha, agreed.</p>

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<p>slipper1234: "Both are top schools and will get you to the same place in the end. I preferred Dartmouth, others might prefer NU."</p>

<p>Ok, I accept that. Clearly you will receive an outstanding education at either school. :)</p>

<p>At last, peace, not war has arrived between the Big Green and the Wildcats ;)</p>

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<p>I must congratulate all parties for not mentioning that Dartmouth is an ivy league in order to one up the other person. On the cornell board debate, that's basically the only factual evidence they came up with to suggest that it is better than Duke, Rice, Vanderbilt, etc.</p>

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<p>How many Dartmouth students does it take to change a lightbulb?
None -- Hanover doesn't have electricity.</p>

<p>Go Wildcats! </p>

<p>Note: I'm joking.</p>

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<p>It's "go 'cats"....... But i'm sure you shall learn that when you actually become a student ;)</p>

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<p>"At last, peace, not war has arrived between the Big Green and the Wildcats"</p>

<p>So what? The Michigan Wolverines would destroy both the Puke Green and the Mildcats...on the football field that is! hehe</p>

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<p>Well, I didn't say peace has arrived with the Wolverines. In fact, Northwestern usually steals one every three or four years from them ('95 19-13, '96 17-16, '00 54-51) for a share of the Big Ten championship. I figure 2005 will be the year of the Cats! and a Hail to the victors valiant for good 'ol NU!</p>

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<p>Nnnnooooooooooo! Don't remind me of 1995 and 1996 and certainly not of 2000! LOL I remember 1996 the most. I was living in Berlin at the time and a fellow Wolverine called me from the States to tell me that we were leading 16-0 entering the 4th quarter. So I figured we were going to win. I decided to go to a restaurant for a quick bite to eat. I had barely ordered my celebratory dinner when my friend called me back to tell me that Northwestern had just scored 2 quick TDs and a field goal to win the game 17-16. I lost my appetite and felt nauseated! LOL And to make matters worth, I was wearing my maize and blue sweater (big mistake) and some guttless and unsrupulous Northwestern fan, coincidentally passing by, stopped and said, "did you go to Michigan". I proceeded to burst into tears....and he said "I went to Northwestern, we just beat you!" </p>

<p>Nnoooooooo!</p>

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<p>don't want to disturb anything, but if you are talking about selectivity, then dartmouth beats northwestern any day</p>