Daughter refuses to take college foreign language

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<p>Marist College–she can take alternative classes to fulfill the requirement</p>

<p>Some schools let you take a programming language instead.</p>

<p>Grinnell has no distribution requirements and that includes for a foreign language.</p>

<p>amtc, We had a similar situation and this is what we learned. There are two separate but related issues, the language skills you need to get in and the classes you may have to take once you matriculate. </p>

<p>Many colleges have a minimum language requirement (or at least recommendation) for admissions. Three years ought to cover it.</p>

<p>Most colleges will allow students to “place out” of additional language study based on AP or SAT scores or their own internal testing. The methods of determining proficiency are variable, however.</p>

<p>Even though a college has a totally open curriculum and no distribution requirements, it may still have a language requirement. Always check. Some study abroad programs have language requirements.</p>

<p>I’d second Williams. Not only does it not require language, but it is also strong in your daughter’s areas of interest. Very selective, though. Some other suggestions for strong arts programs: Smith, Hamilton, Skidmore, Conn College Kenyon, Wesleyan. At the time that my son applied all of these were language free, but things may have changed so double check.</p>

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That’s an interesting question. My daughter, who has no desire to learn a foreign language, took and thoroughly enjoyed 2 semesters of ASL. I, on the other hand, love foreign languages but find the thought of learning ASL very intimidating.</p>

<p>Again, thanks for some great ideas, I’ll look into them all. </p>

<p>momrath, according to their websites Kenyon and Skidmore require language but I might call to confirm. </p>

<p>shirkrap - nothing so complicated as a different neural pathway. With sign language there’s no verbal or grammar, and much less spelling!</p>

<p>My son was so psyched about Northwestern when he visited that he didn’t “notice” they had a language requirement. It was h#ii last year because he has a language LD.</p>

<p>He had some wonderful teachers, in classes with only 7-9 kids. They really helped my son. This year, it’s much better. He says it’s “almost easy” but then adds, “I’m still not a fan.” He’s having a total blast at school in so many areas, in so many clubs that I’m so pleased he pushed himself through this challenge. For awhile, I wondered if he’d have to transfer. </p>

<p>The language requirement was a huge factor in his first year, but now, it doesn’t seem to be an issue at all.</p>

<p>“There’s no grammar in ASL.”!!!</p>

<p>You have to be kidding, right?–there’s grammar, and frankly, it’s harder than pretty much any language out there, IMO. It has grammatical concepts that spoken languages can’t even articulate or really explain.</p>

<p>And not much spelling? Why you think everyone learns the sign language alphabet? There’s plenty of spelling–the same spelling as English but plenty of nonetheless. You have to be spell and read fingerspelling very fast, too, so it’s not like you can muddle your way through, at least not for very long.</p>

<p>Hearing people, in my experience, want to study ASL because: a) they have issues with auditory processing, b) they know Deaf or Hard of Hearing people or want to know/work in or with Deaf culture, and/or c) they have a complete misunderstanding of ASL and mistakenly think it’s not a “real” language and therefore won’t require any work. </p>

<p>Sorry, this is a bit of a pet peeve of mine.</p>

<p>amtc, my son is severely dyslexic and just plain can’t do foreign languages (he tried Latin and Spanish). So, he applied to colleges without any HS language courses and we were definitely looking at requirements. Amherst, Brown, Williams, and Rochester were on the list. I believe that Wesleyan had no requirements. I can’t recall the others but schools that were on his list at some point that may not have had requirements include Penn, Hamilton, Sarah Lawrence, Brandeis.</p>

<p>At the schools that had the requirement, we asked if they would waive it as a result of his learning disabilities. That may not be relevant to you.</p>

<p>My D also has dyslexia and also originally wanted only a college that would accept ASL in lieu of a traditional foreign language. They’ve been hard to find so she’s lightened up a bit but I’d love to hear of other schools. Kenyon not only has a foreign language requirement but it’s 2 semesters and, according to our tour guide, it meets 9 (yes 9) times a week. Bucknell hasn’t had a foreign language requirement historically but when we toured a year ago, they said they were starting a one semester requirement fall '11. Not sure if this is applicable to engineering students at Bucknell or not. Not sure about that list above–it’s a great starting point but I know Penn has a language requirement. May not apply to students in the school of engineering but certainly does to those in “the college”. If anyone knows of additional schools, please post.</p>

<p>My two kids took two and three years of FL in h.s. They went to big state publics that did not require any FL in college for their BS majors if they had taken at least two years in h.s. I think all BA majors at our state u’s require FL in college regardless of what was taken in h.s.</p>

<p>A girl we know at our church took ASL at our local CC during her senior yr. and was able to transfer it to a state u. for credit.</p>

<p>psych_ didn’t mean to insult you or anything. My niece took one year of ASL at a community college and loved it for all the reasons I stated. Spelling a known word in English is much easier than in another language and the speed with which you need speak and read fingerspelling is not so fast in the beginning. I guess it does depend on how your brain works and how you learn as to whether you think ASL is easier.</p>

<p>Back in the mid-90s when I graduated, Claremont McKenna College had a deal where you could opt to take a Western Civ class in place of 3 semesters of a language. I wasn’t awful at languages, but wasn’t into them either. Freeing up those extra two semesters made it much easier to double-major in Math and Biology</p>

<p>amtc, while Brown is not a small LAC, since it was brought up, I’ll just clarify that students definitely don’t have to take a foreign language. It is an open curriculum and students choose what they want to study. My D went there and chose to study French all four years and is fluent (and is in France right now, in fact) but it was entirely a choice and she could have taken no language. </p>

<p>The suggestions of Smith, Sarah Lawrence and Grinnell are good ones. </p>

<p>Oldcmcalum, back in my day, at Tufts, you could satisfy the foreign language requirement by taking courses in various cultures and I chose to do that. I had five years of French in HS but got turned off by a HS teacher and did not take any foreign language in college.</p>

<p>THis thread is old, but may be helpful <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/141844-list-colleges-no-foreign-language-requirement.html?[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/141844-list-colleges-no-foreign-language-requirement.html?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>amtc, you didn’t insult me and I apologize if I came on too strong. It’s just a pet peeve of mine when people imply (intentionally or not) that ASL is somehow categorically easier or less complex than other languages, as I feel that really reduces the language to something it’s not. I’m very glad to hear your niece loved ASL–I wish more people would learn it! :slight_smile: I used to know a small but somewhat sizeable (compared to most people, which isn’t really saying much at all) amount of ASL but have lost most of it due to years of disuse. Now that I’m strongly considering doing practica at Deaf and HOH-serving sites, I’ll probably have to get back into it.</p>

<p>If she really enjoyed ASL and wants to continue to study it extensively, perhaps she is interested in deaf and HOH services or education. If so, there are three colleges in the US that are designed for services for the deaf and HOH: National Technical Institute for the Deaf, at Rochester Institute of Technology, Galludet in Washington DC, and CSU Northridge in CA. In all these locations she will find many deaf students with whom to practice. Of course there are deaf students at other universities as well, and other colleges with extensive offerings in ASL.</p>

<p>We visited Lehigh today and, much to my surprise – no foreign language requirement!</p>

<p>I made a mental note to let you know when I got home. I didn’t remember your D’s areas of interest at the time so I can’t tell you how much they offer in the arts (we were focused on other majors).</p>

<p>While the issue of foreign language hasn’t come up with my S (he is taking Spanish in HS and is finding it easy so far), his eyes definitely lit up when he heard that Lehigh doesn’t require it. (In fact, the admissions offer giving the presentation noted that they require that applicants only have two years of a language in HS.)</p>

<p>Thanks LINYMOM - I’ll look into Lehigh. Location is good, size is good, just need to check on the offerings!</p>