Deadline Close!! Dartmouth or Wellesley?

<p>I am so confused. Can someone please help me decide/give me advice? Yes my considerations are very long. I hope it won't put you off.</p>

<p>Dartmouth has the Ivy name and many travel abroad opportunities (I was thinking China and France) and is pretty relaxed with choosing majors. I'm undecided but I'm considering an engineering major possibly. Dartmouth has Thayer but Wellesley has MIT. Dartmouth's campus is also very isolated and not as pretty as Wellesley's in my opinion. I also met a lot more preppy people at Dartmouth than at Wellesley (they were all very very nice though), but I'm worried that I'll be in a much less humorous atmosphere without guys for entertainment in the classroom. I'm not interested in romantic relationships so that's not an issue. I'm also rather introverted, which I'm afraid might isolate me at gregarious Dartmouth. The drinking scene frankly scares me a bit. I really want to be in a place with good food (Dartmouth). However, there is also the view that women grow more in places like Wellesley. I want to try taking martial arts and crew and other sports in college, and I don't know if being surrounded by athletic men might dissuade me from that. I am also very interested in going to graduate school.</p>

<p>Any opinions? I'd appreciate anything well-meant.</p>

<p>I think the fact that you put your considerations in at least helps us give you advice.</p>

<p>I can only give you the Wellesley side sadly.</p>

<p>About 40% of Wellesley students study abroad. I had an intensive major and chose not to. I have done internships away from home my past three years I'm not sure what the kind of programs the Chinese Dept has (I know people at Wellesley who have spent time in China, but I think it was outside the school year or in high school). but there are certainly opporunities to study in France. Wellesley has its own program at Aix-en-Provence, where you attend a French school and take classes there. It has an orientation program in Paris, so you can say you've been there (hint: everyone in Paris speaks back to you in English even if you try to speak French, so an abroad program in Paris will teach you little French). You do have to take four French classes at Wellesley before you leave and at least French 211 or 210 (basically a fifth semester of French if you took them all from the ground up). I imagine that the program in China has a language requirement as well.</p>

<p>Wellesley does not have an engineering major. If you know you want to be an engineer you may want to go to an engineering school. I'm not sure to what degree you can get into Engineering at MIT but we are working on a certificate program with Olin College. I know one Wellesley Physics major who has done Engineering research at Olin. There is an Intro Engineering class taught at Wellesley by Olin professors partnered with Ted Ducas. If you really want info about what's going on and what your options are, I'd try emailing tducas [at] wellesley.edu.</p>

<p>If you plan to go abroad fall semester of junior year, you must declare your major first semester of sophomore year. Otherwise it's the end of sophomore year. Your major isn't carved in stone until you "confirm" it senior year.</p>

<p>What qualified for "entertainment" provided by guys in my high school class involved student making bird noises while the teacher's back was turned. I think the atmosphere at Wellesley can be serious at times, but one of my professors this semester has started off two of our classes by showing (semi-related) videos on youTube. </p>

<p>As someone who doesn't drink and dislikes alcohol and drinking games, I was both lucky to have a roommate who felt likewise, and have been extremely pleased with the atmosphere at Wellesley. People drink here, people get drunk here, people puke in the bathrooms here, we have a campus pub, but I mostly don't see it. The alcohol scene is easy to avoid if you wish to do so, and you will find people who find fun in other ways. I have been told that at another school (neither Dartmouth nor Wellesley, there is nothing to do but drink).</p>

<p>I like the food at Wellesley. Apparently I used to be a picky eater when I was a kid, but here, I'm not. Some people don't, but I will eat anything served by the dining hall if it's something I eat. That seems like a bizarre comment, but some people just don't like the lettuce or the mac and cheese or the Dining Hall beef when they might eat those things somewhere else.</p>

<p>I think I've grown at Wellesley. I don't know what would have happened if I went elsewhere.</p>

<p>I imagine sports at Dartmouth aren't coed. So you would be with athletic women anyway. I think it's a non-issue. But at the same time there are no things that are stereotypically for either sex at Wellesley, there are just crazy people. Wellesley's PE is nice for not having boys! </p>

<p>Wellesley will be able to help you get into graduate school in your chosen major. The course catalog will tell you what you need to be taking as will your major advisor.</p>

<p>Hope this helps!</p>

<p>To add a story told at a family party: </p>

<p>My cousin went to Dartmouth. He never played basketball in high school (didn't care, wasn't good enough, I can't remember), but was from a rural area and played outside a lot. If you asked him whether he was good at basketball, he would say no.</p>

<p>Well apparently some fraternity at Dartmouth has a basketball hoop in their basement and that sounded cool so he joined that one.</p>

<p>Anyway, someone saw him playing and offered him a spot on the team. He didn't try out and wasn't a recruited athlete. I know he didn't join the team in the end, but I can't remember to what degree he looked into it. He did say that the team was pretty pathetic.</p>

<p>My whole family was laughing hysterically. Oh family parties.</p>

<p>This was about 8 or 10 years ago. Things may have changed.</p>

<p>But I wouldn't feel intimidated about trying a sport for fun and you don't think you're any good at, going to a place like Dartmouth. You still may stink at crew/martial arts, but people don't go to Dartmouth because of their awesome athletic prowess so they probably won't judge you negatively.</p>

<p>I have to interject about the travel abroad opportunities--the sky's the limit at Wellesley! I just finished my semester abroad in Rome. Wellesley students study everywhere--London, Beijing, Paris, Aix-en-Provence, Siena, Milan, Athens, Buenos Aires, Vienna just to name a few (and I really mean a few). Though Wellesley itself has a small amount of study abroad programs, it has a long, long list of approved study abroad programs through other institutions, which means that you can apply to those programs without special permission from Wellesley. I did Temple University's program in Rome and the application process was painless and quick.</p>

<p>Good luck with your decision!</p>

<p>based on what you're saying... I think Wellesley is a better fit
except that for the good food thing</p>

<p>I was in the same situation with Colgate and I was going to Colgate but ended up choosing Wellesley b/c the drinking scene kinda frightened me also! but not only b/c of that, I felt more comfortable at Wellesley. I was kind of worried about fitting in b/c I'm introverted too </p>

<p>but then, YOU don't have to be involved with the drinking and I'm sure you'll be able to find people who aren't into that.</p>

<p>have you visited both? </p>

<p>and which one would you regret not going to more? </p>

<p>I'm not sure this is making sense, but personal message me if you have more questions</p>

<p>I liked the food that at had at SOC, but I admit to not being a particularly picky eater. Even so, it was much better than the food I had at another college.</p>

<p>my friend turned down dartmouth for wellesley.
she said her dad said that wellesley would give her better opportunities later in life ... we'll see how that plays out after graduation :)</p>