Deadline Extension

I’m not sure if extending the deadline will bring in a huge number of additional competitive applications. Duke extended their deadline also. DD receives a reminder email almost everyday. After my DD made the decision not to apply to Duke, the deadline extension didn’t change her mind.

She submitted and completed her Penn app weeks before the deadline. The extension didn’t matter. At this point in the application season, I wonder if these last minute apps will be the best representation of a student or will Penn receive a lot of applications from that student who is throwing in another additional app to play the

There’s obviously something else going on here. Now it’s been reported that Duke, Chicago, Dartmouth, and Vanderbilt–and perhaps others–also extended their deadlines. It strains credulity, in my opinion, to conclude that these schools extended their deadlines simply to goose the number of applications they receive, something they’ve never done before.

Why then? If they wanted to be generous/kind, could they not have done so before going into the holidays? We’ll probably never know… unless the app numbers do show a decline.

^ In the past, The Daily Pennsylvanian has covered application deadline extensions, so as I said previously, I suspect there will be an article about it after winter break ends (if not before).

Were you born yesterday? What do you think the reason is for deferring the deadline? It’s really not a mystery. Here’s the deal: the university wants more apps to decrease the admit rate. A lower admit rate increases rankings. The deferral is nothing more than an effort to draw in more applications from people who were dilatory in the first place (and probably won’t get admitted anyway).

No, I wasn’t born yesterday. Quite the contrary–I’m an active old Penn alum who’s been observing Penn Admissions for literally DECADES (and more decades than I’d like to count :slight_smile: ). I also have a kid who recently went through the Penn Admissions process, and I’ve read and heard Dean Furda’s comments on year-to-year variations in application numbers on several occasions.

Your theory makes absolutely no sense and, indeed, sounds like the speculation of someone who has no knowledge of or experience with Penn Admissions over the past couple of years, let alone the past several decades. Why in the world would Penn suddenly decide for the first time in 2015, NEVER having done so before, to defer the application deadline just to goose the number of applications? The number of applicants rises and falls CONSTANTLY from year to year. Yes, the general trend has been for the number of applications to rise significantly over the last 20 years, but there have been several years when the number of applications has fallen a bit from the year before (as occasionally happens at virtually all of the Ivies), and Penn has NEVER deferred the application deadline merely to increase the number of applications. And neither have any of the other Ivies. In fact, the very few times that I recall Penn deferring the deadline were either when an unusually severe weather event made it difficult or impossible for many applicants to submit their applications by the deadline, or when the Common App was having glitches and “issues” causing Penn and other peer schools to defer the deadline because of the difficulty experienced by many applicants in getting their applications submitted by the original deadline.

Not to mention that your explanation utterly fails to account for the other schools–Duke, Dartmouth, Chicago, Vanderbilt, and possibly others–that also have extended their application deadlines this year, and also have never done so before simply to goose the number of applications.

And, of course, there’s also just plain old common sense. Do you really think that extending an application deadline at the last minute by FIVE DAYS, in the middle of winter break, is a strategy that a highly selective, Ivy League university–not to mention several of its highly selective peers–would suddenly pursue for the first time in its long history just to increase the number of applications? Do you think that the Admissions Office would conclude that applicants who otherwise decided NOT to apply to Penn are going to wake up on December 29th and think: “wow, now that I suddenly have an extra five days to submit my application (including all the necessary score reporting, recommendations, etc.), I WILL apply to Penn!” And how many additional applications do you think they’d conclude would result from that sudden five-day extension? Would it be enough to overcome the potential loss of credibility they’d engender in the process? Would it be enough to significantly decrease the acceptance rate? Remember that we’re talking about tens of thousands of applications here, so there would have to be an increase of THOUSANDS of applications to reduce the acceptance rate to any measurable degree. And are you aware that acceptance rate constitutes a mere 1.5% of the total score used by US News in its rankings? A five-day extension announced on December 29th ain’t gonna help much there.

Sorry, but absent significant additional evidence supporting it, your explanation runs counter to the longstanding admissions history of Penn and the other peer schools that extended their deadlines, and counter to plain old common sense. At least to those of us who WEREN’T born yesterday. :wink:

Whatever the reason I am sure many applicants appreciated the extra time to polish their essays. It makes it difficult when most of the top schools have the same deadline along with 2-3 or more different essay questions.

Is the average early applicant more qualified than the average regular applicant for top institutions?

You guys are really cynical.

Application deadlines are traditionally extended because the holiday season proves rough for getting all the application material in. Schools and colleges are closed that day. If the deadline was January 1st, how is someone who has a last minute question for the admissions office supposed to get help? How is a student able to ensure that his transcripts are sent? Or his recommendations? What happens if the common app crashes (which it did this year) and hundreds of applicants are emailing you midnight of January 1st and your offices don’t even open until January 5th? The January 1st deadline is just so inconvenient that extending it by merely 5 days is more than useful.

45 per center: Please don’t take offense to my question. I’m also no spring chicken myself. But age really has nothing to do with my common sense theory (yes, it’s just a theory) that Penn – and a few other schools including Vanderbilt, Chicago and Dartmouth – are in an arms race to increase the number of applicants and reduce their acceptance rate. Whether it’s sending shiny brochures to prospective applicants or extending the deadline for applications, those schools want more students to apply so that they can claim that their acceptance rate is dropping. (Remember, no one wants to join a club that anyone else can join). The fact that a handful of schools are extending the deadlines while most other schools (including Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Princeton, Cornell) are sticking to the original deadline suggests that there wasn’t a glitch with the common or universal applications. Nor, as we all know, was there a weather event or other intervening event of nature warranting an extension. You should know that I’m not the only one advancing the theory. There are scores of comments all over the web, including the blog on the Ivy Coach site, that are saying what I’m saying: UPenn and other schools extended the deadline to increase the number of applications. Having said that, I doubt that the admissions office will admit that that was the reason for the extension. Sure, they are more likely to say that they wanted to offer some relief to students who wanted to apply, but didn’t have the time in the midst of the Holiday crush. But, even if they say that (or conjure up with some other reason) what do you think the REAL motive is?

FYI - Yale extended its deadline as well. I don’t think it means anything more than the fact that the offices were closed and the adcoms were all still on vacation anyway, and nothing was going to get done until the 5th, so why not?

Well the insanity continues. Duke just extended the deadline to January 10th for students that started but did not submit the application.

Just went on Yale’s website. Didn’t see any reference to an extension. Are you sure?

Well, we’ll see what they have to say. I’m confident that The Daily Pennsylvanian will cover this when the semester begins (it always reports on admissions numbers, deadline extensions, etc.), and the Admissions Office will have to provide some sort of explanation of why the deadline was extended, since it’s explained every other extension in the past. Dean Furda is generally pretty candid about these things, and if it was done simply to bring in more applications, I think he’ll admit that, especially if other peer schools have extended their deadlines for the same reason. Absent that, it’s all speculation.

But the arms race for higher and higher application numbers and lower and lower acceptance rates has been ongoing for decades, and I fail to see why Penn and other schools would suddenly choose this year to extend their deadlines by a few days in hopes of bringing in a few more applications, when they’ve never done so in the past. Time will tell.

Pomona extended their deadline for us.

@Plato23, it may have just been for kids who had listed Yale on the Common App as a school the student intended to apply to. When the deadline passed (she decided not to apply) D received an email that said, “If you intended to complete your Yale application, you must submit your Common Application with Yale-specific questions, along with the application fee or fee waiver request, by midnight EST Monday January 5. The Common Application portal will remain open for application submission until then.”

^ This is sounding more and more like a Common App glitch of some sort, albeit one that may not have affected all schools, or that not all schools decided to accommodate with a brief extension. But again, to ensure that I’m as repetitious as possible ;), it makes no sense that for the first time in their histories, all of these schools (Penn, Yale, Dartmouth, Chicago, Duke, Vanderbilt, etc.) would suddenly decide to extend their application deadlines by a mere 5 days or so just to attempt to goose their application numbers a bit. And until I see further evidence to support that explanation, I’m not buying it.

Well, here’s the anticipated Daily Pennsylvanian article:

http://www.thedp.com/article/2015/01/penn-receives-record-high-applications-after-deadline-push

Apparently, there were no extenuating circumstances, but it sounds like this may become a permanent change:

See the entire article here:

http://www.thedp.com/article/2015/01/penn-receives-record-high-applications-after-deadline-push

Thanks for posting that, 45%er! It makes sense. I thought that as well as my son went through this application cycle, how ridiculous it seems to have all this occur when everyone is out of the office and panic can ensue with no one to help. Jan 5-15 makes more sense to me…they should do it when admissions office is back at work and allow a week of overlap.

A large part of me sees this as a sign of sanity. It just makes logical sense to have applications due at a time when there are people around to help if there is an issue. Many students don’t wait until the last moment but some do - and some always will. A small part of me is more cynical views this as a strategic move. That part of me wonders if there wasn’t a peek at the number of in-progress applications that were not complete with an eye toward “hmmm, if we got those AND what already have, this would be another banner year…” Furda is a pretty stand up guy, so I’m going to go to (try to) let that go and focus on this being a glimmer of sanity in the crazy world of admissions.