<p>Annika, remember, this student is Indian and lives in India. The right solution for an American might not be the right solution for an Indian. Does it really make sense for him to come to the United States to go to community college?</p>
<p>^That’s more common than you’d think.</p>
<p>It’s common, but does it make sense for this student? My local community college has a large cohort of internationals. Many of the Asian internationals want to transfer to Berkeley to become engineers. The ones that succeed are smart and work their butts off. </p>
<p>Would the OP’s son be likely to be disciplined enough to succeed at an American community college? It’s an expensive gamble-- community colleges don’t cost that much, but the student would have to come to the US, and pay for room and board. He couldn’t work, because he wouldn’t have a green card, so his father would have to support him.</p>
<p>On edit: I don’t know for sure, but I think that the Asian students who succeed tend to have local support, maybe friends and relatives that live nearby. Most students would find it difficult to move to strange new country where they didn’t know anyone, find a place to live (community colleges offer no support for this) and learn to become a college student.</p>
<p>^The situation is exactly the same at EMU though…</p>
<p>I think EMU has dorms, but it’s still largely a commuter school.</p>
<p>I think four-year colleges like EMU have a bit more-- actually a lot more-- support for freshmen. But it’s not clear to me why paying to come to the US to learn to be a lab technician makes sense either.</p>
<p>Ok…so did we determine that the college doesn’t have real Mechanical Engineering BS degree or some kind of odd tech program?</p>
<p>More research: As Qwerty says, Eastern Michigan is similar to a community college. Though there are dorms, only 15% of students live on or near campus. Also, over 60 percent of students are over 21. Almost all work in addition to being students.</p>
<p>IndianDad - here is a list as of May 4th of colleges that still had openings.</p>
<p>[Space</a> Availability Survey Results 2010](<a href=“http://www.nacacnet.org/PublicationsResources/Research/SpaceAvailabiltySurvey/Pages/SpaceSurveyResults.aspx]Space”>http://www.nacacnet.org/PublicationsResources/Research/SpaceAvailabiltySurvey/Pages/SpaceSurveyResults.aspx)</p>
<p>So…going to this school is a big mistake.</p>
<p>UAHuntsville would likely accept this kid, and it has a very good engineering school since it’s in Cummings Research Park.</p>
<p>^I wouldn’t say that. A lot of people do transfer from EMU to UMich. If he does get serious about his school work, he absolutely can transfer. And UMich is a very good Engineering school (top-10, because I wanted to brag).</p>
<p>It must be really rough to try to figure out the programs in another country. I know I couldn’t do it. I wish IndianDad and his son much luck.</p>
<p>OK, to transfer to University of Michigan engineering, here are the minimum requirements:
[Michigan</a> Engineering | Admission Requirements](<a href=“http://www.engin.umich.edu/ugadmissions/transfer/requirements.html]Michigan”>http://www.engin.umich.edu/ugadmissions/transfer/requirements.html)</p>
<p>3.3 GPA
Single and multivariable calculus and Differential Equations
General Chem with lab
A semester of English Composition
A year of calculus-based physics
A semester of computer programming</p>
<p>Note these are the requirements to even be considered for admission. Presumably some/many students who meet these requirements are still rejected. But EMU offers those courses, so if IndianSon went to EMU, took those courses and got As and Bs, he might be accepted as a transfer at UMichigan.</p>
<p>Since we’re all helping out… [Michigan</a> Engineering | Course Equivalency Database](<a href=“http://www.engin.umich.edu/transferdatabase/college.jsp?id=229]Michigan”>http://www.engin.umich.edu/transferdatabase/college.jsp?id=229)</p>
<p>A lot of classes (including a few ME classes) will transfer. I believe he has to take 50 credits in house to get a degree from Michigan.</p>
<p>And wow, I’ve never seen them accept credit for EECS 280 from anywhere else. They don’t even take it from MSU or Michigan Tech.</p>
<p>And if (as everyone else suggests) you do decide to check out another University. Michigan Tech, I think, would be a good choice. EECS 280 isn’t anything he’ll have to take anyway.</p>
<p>From the list Kajon’s posting. there are quite a few universities are pretty good. For sure deserve considering.</p>
<p>phade wrote:
I am shocked to read this. I recently received an alumni magazine from CAL (Berkeley) for their engineering alumni and they listed Bioengineering grads as having the best luck (of all the engineering graduates) in this job market. If that’s a person’s calling, I say Go For It! Maybe research the programs to make sure they are reputable before applying. At Cal, they are a subset of Electronics Engineering.</p>
<p>To the original poster, your son will need to do very well in college to get into some of the schools you list as potentials for transfers. Best of Luck!</p>
<p>^Well, from here, salaries look to be on par with that guy who just got the shift manager position at the fast food restaurant they started working at after dropping out of high school.</p>
<p>[Michigan</a> Engineering | 2008-2009 Salary Information](<a href=“http://career.engin.umich.edu/salary/20082009.html]Michigan”>http://career.engin.umich.edu/salary/20082009.html)</p>
<p>I’ve been told by numerous people (who would know) that a Bachelors in BME is not sufficient. People who do well with that degree either go on to get a Masters or PHD, or they go to Med school.</p>
<p>I can’t find stats for California, but that does look bad in Michigan. We have a thriving medical supply industry here, maybe that’s the difference? I wonder if Biomedical engineering and Bioengineering are considered different degrees? Like I said, at Cal, Bioengineering is a part of the Electronics Engineering Department.</p>
<p>I couldn’t find the magazine online either to see if they mentioned salaries specifically.</p>
<p>Oh, good grief. Don’t take us for fools! That $19K for the BME major was based off ONE person. Didn’t you see the (1) next to it? That doesn’t mean “BME’s make $19K.” It means 1 person reported, and who the heck knows what they did, where they went to work, and what their circumstances are. Maybe all the other BME’s went to med school or other graduate school. Silly to conclude anything off this.</p>
<p>Without knowing the details of OPs sons academic performance in Physics, Chemistry, Mathematics and Biology courses in Indian School Certificate (ISc) examination, it is hard to evaluate how his son will perform at college level courses. Perhaps OPs son may not be equipped to meet the challenges of a rigorous college curriculum. Chances are that he may have to start taking basic, likely in some cases, pre 100 level college courses in Math, Bio, Physics & Chem. This may extend the UG duration by more than 4 years. Again these are simply conjectures.
OP may want to consider seeking admission for his son to Liberal Arts colleges (LACs) which offer Pre Med courses (Biology, Chemistry, Physics & Math) & help fulfill requirements for entry to Medical Colleges, and are also affiliated with leading Universities that offer engineering degrees. The advantage of this approach is that OPs son will have multiple options. He can spend 3 years at a LAC, gaining skills in critical thinking, effective analysis and communication, study abroad, fulfilling the Pre Med requirements & taking MCAT exam. By 3rd year of college, many students will know if they are cut out for meeting the challenges of rigors of medical college. At that juncture (end of 3 years), OPs son can decide to either (a) finish his UG from the LAC and go to Medical School or (b) Attend a more prestigious University that is affiliated with the LAC and pursue a 2nd degree in engineering. So, ideally, OPs son will be receiving 2 degrees, one a Bachelors degree from the LAC & another BS in engineering from a well known university.
To start with, following engineering programs at these leading universities have affiliation with LACs:
- Columbia University (Fu College of Engineering),
- University of Michigan
- Washington University at St. Louis.
- Case Western Reserve University</p>
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<li><p>Columbia college of Engineering has the most extensive known affiliation with LACs (Ref: [Affiliated</a> Liberal Arts Colleges and Universities | Columbia University Office of Undergraduate Admissions](<a href=“http://www.studentaffairs.columbia.edu/admissions/engineering/combined/affils.php]Affiliated”>http://www.studentaffairs.columbia.edu/admissions/engineering/combined/affils.php)).
Of theseLACs, the following may still be open to admission. ([Space</a> Availability Survey Results 2010](<a href=“http://www.nacacnet.org/PublicationsResources/Research/SpaceAvailabiltySurvey/Pages/SpaceSurveyResults.aspx]Space”>http://www.nacacnet.org/PublicationsResources/Research/SpaceAvailabiltySurvey/Pages/SpaceSurveyResults.aspx))
Albion ([Albion</a> College Liberal Arts Institute for Pre-Medical and Health Care Studies](<a href=“http://www.albion.edu/premed/]Albion”>http://www.albion.edu/premed/))
Alfred (Limited) ([Alfred</a> University : Academics : Pre-Med](<a href=“http://www.alfred.edu/academics/pre-health/pre-med.cfm]Alfred”>http://www.alfred.edu/academics/pre-health/pre-med.cfm))
Arcadia (Limited) ([Arcadia</a> University - Pre-Med Study Abroad Highlights](<a href=“http://www.arcadia.edu/abroad/default.aspx?id=27794]Arcadia”>http://www.arcadia.edu/abroad/default.aspx?id=27794))
Augustana ([Augustana</a> College - Pre-Medicine at Augustana](<a href=“http://www.augustana.edu/x2568.xml]Augustana”>http://www.augustana.edu/x2568.xml))
Baldwin- Wallace ([Baldwin-Wallace</a> :: Pre Med Vet Dent Pharm](<a href=“Page Not Found - 404 Error | Baldwin Wallace University”>Page Not Found - 404 Error | Baldwin Wallace University))
Bethany ([Bethany</a> College :: Physical Science](<a href=“http://www.bethanywv.edu/academics/departments/physical-science/]Bethany”>http://www.bethanywv.edu/academics/departments/physical-science/))
College of Notre Dame ([Pre-Dental</a> / Pre-Medical / Pre-Veterinary](<a href=“http://www.ndm.edu/Academics/Pre-Professional/Pre-Dental/index.cfm]Pre-Dental”>http://www.ndm.edu/Academics/Pre-Professional/Pre-Dental/index.cfm))
Doane ([Premed](<a href=“http://www.doane.edu/Academics/preprofessional/premed/]Premed[/url]”>http://www.doane.edu/Academics/preprofessional/premed/)</a>)
Drew ([Pre-Medicine](<a href=“http://www.drew.edu/cla-content.aspx?id=698]Pre-Medicine[/url]”>http://www.drew.edu/cla-content.aspx?id=698)</a>)
Eckerd (Member of Colleges that Change lives: [Colleges</a> That Change Lives | Changing Lives, One Student at a Time](<a href=“http://www.ctcl.org/]Colleges”>http://www.ctcl.org/)), ([Pre-Health</a> at Eckerd - Eckerd College](<a href=“http://www.eckerd.edu/academics/prehealth/]Pre-Health”>http://www.eckerd.edu/academics/prehealth/))
Hofstra ([Information</a> for Pre-Medical Student - Pre-Health Advising - Hofstra University](<a href=“http://www.hofstra.edu/studentaffairs/advise/advprh/advprh_premed.html]Information”>http://www.hofstra.edu/studentaffairs/advise/advprh/advprh_premed.html))
Washington & Jefferson (perhaps a very good Pre Med program), ([W&J:</a> Pre-Health Professions](<a href=“http://www.washjeff.edu/content.aspx?section=953&menu_id=267&crumb=229&id=1538]W&J:”>http://www.washjeff.edu/content.aspx?section=953&menu_id=267&crumb=229&id=1538)),
William Jewel ([WJC</a> Pre-Med Program](<a href=“http://www.jewell.edu/william_jewell/gen/william_and_jewell_generated_pages/WJC_PreMed_Program_p618.html]WJC”>http://www.jewell.edu/william_jewell/gen/william_and_jewell_generated_pages/WJC_PreMed_Program_p618.html)),
Wittenberg ([Wittenberg</a> University - Pre-Health](<a href=“http://www4.wittenberg.edu/academics/pre-health/]Wittenberg”>http://www4.wittenberg.edu/academics/pre-health/))
Lewis & Clarke (Limited) ([Pre-Med/Health</a> Care - Pre-Professional Programs - Academics - College of Arts and Sciences - Lewis & Clark](<a href=“http://www.lclark.edu/college/academics/pre_professional/medical_and_health_care/]Pre-Med/Health”>Health Professions -Academic Programs - Lewis & Clark)).</p></li>
<li><p>University of Michigan& Washington University at St. Louis have affiliation with Kalamazoo College (Member of Colleges that Change lives, well known for study abroad programs). ([Academic</a> Program. Kalamazoo College](<a href=“Academics | Kalamazoo College”>Academics | Kalamazoo College))</p></li>
<li><p>Case Western Reserve University (CWRU) in Cleveland, Ohio, Washington University in St. Louis (WUSTL), Missouri, and the University of Akron in Akron, Ohio have affiliation with Wooster College in Ohio (Member of Colleges that Change lives), ([Pre-Engineering</a> - College of Wooster](<a href=“http://www.wooster.edu/Academics/Areas-of-Study/Pre-Engineering-Program]Pre-Engineering”>http://www.wooster.edu/Academics/Areas-of-Study/Pre-Engineering-Program)). Wooster College has a strong ethnic community service ([Student</a> Life - College of Wooster](<a href=“http://www.wooster.edu/Student-Life]Student”>http://www.wooster.edu/Student-Life)). In addition, I was struck by the pride their Alumni have in their experience at Wooster.
While the upside of the 3+2 approach is the flexibility of options & no headaches later (the programs are in place, no transfer credits problems etc,), the down side of the 3+2 approach is the cost & and the added extra year of college.</p></li>
</ol>
<p>Wow. Just wow. This is a recipe for drama.</p>