<p>@legendofmax: Thanks…feel a bit better now to deal with rejection…but I envy you (bless your soul)… “Wharton 2009” :! LIKE haha nice job!</p>
<p>@Gymnast: I wonder if you had a broken mind would count?? haha thanks for the story though…reminds me of how the Harvard admissions woman laughed at me (joyful) over the phone last week cause I called that line atleast 9 times that week to get solid answers regarding my transcripts,past history, sec.school reports, etc.! Turned out to be a pretty good conversation, not the standard monotone answers.</p>
<p>a small excript
AO:“Are you the same person calling from yesterday?”
Me:“Heh…yeah, Im just really worried about this, I want to get everything just right. Do you need a sec school report from every school attended?”
AO: blah blah blah. You know, you sound like a pretty committed person. Its rare that we see people asking such questions so early!</p>
<p>she also happened to be the same person who responded to my emails to the office…!!! She couldn’t believe how excellent my english was ;D yehh do you know how much peace I feel right now? its strange, yet at the same time sad. oh well…just thought to change the tone here from gloomy to slightly joyous</p>
<p>@Soze: !!! My beliefs and principles come before anything… and yes, even if it means I have to miss out on a fullride to any college of my choice, guaranteed admission, AND grad school…yes, i mean it!! :D</p>
<p>I don’t know if somebody has touched on this yet but if you are accepted to Penn ED you CANNOT apply to any other schools. It’s not allowed, and if they find out you will have your admissions revoked from every school you apply to, including Penn.</p>
<p>This isn’t true at all. I’m living proof that it’s baloney. It’s someone’s theory, probably based on only one or two vivid confirming examples while ignoring all the examples that put the theory to lie.</p>
<p>I agree with the last sentence but disagree with #1 and #2. It depends on the college. There are some colleges - call them “bleeding heart” schools if you want - that actually are impressed with some ECs when they clearly come from the heart, when they are clearly not the usual type that kids use to pad their credentials.</p>
<p>i don’t know if people have said this already but:</p>
<p>my advice would be to apply to nine-12 schools. pick 3-4 universities in the top 25, 3-4 LACs in the top 25, and 3-4 LACs/Universities in the 25-50 that are intellectually stimulating and provide an amazing education without being stuck-up (<em>cough</em> kenyon and UC Davis/ Pittsburgh <em>cough</em>)</p>
<p>applying the top 12 schools in america is just dumb. the college process is super arbitrary, you’ll never know if you got rejected because they thought you were too good, because one person liked you and the rest hated you, or because one person hated you and the rest loved you. or because the admissions officer had a crappy day
it’s arbitrary. stop stressing out. ivies aren’t that great (i go to one, trust me), your life won’t be over.
YOU WILL GET INTO THE COLLEGE YOU SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN INTO. IF YOU GOT REJECTED, YOU PROBABLY DON’T BELONG THERE.
stop being a drama queen</p>
<p>Konig, I love your enthusiasm about college, but I’m curious, where are your safety schools? </p>
<p>Rejection is usually guaranteed for most people. I applied to 11 colleges and was rejected at 1 (UNC-Chapel Hill) and accepted to the rest. My first choice was UCLA (got accepted, but was just too expensive) and I couldn’t go. I accepted my place at the University of Virginia. To be honest, a rejection is not nearly as distressing and abysmal as being accepted to college that you really want to go to and can’t afford to go to; but what was ironic about my rejection was the fact that I was upset about not being upset with my rejection. It’s kind of like when someone asks you what you’re thinking about and you respond by saying that you’re thinking about what you should be thinking about, if that makes any sense. Be optimistic about your rejections, because chances are, you’re going to get accepted to at least one of your colleges.</p>
<p>Here’s a story:
The valedictorian of my school was the most stellar student we’ve had in years (36 ACT, 2400 SAT, 800s and 790’s on SAT IIs, Governor’s School, had her art displayed at the Capitol, took 13 AP’s with scores of 5’s on each one, great ECs, excellent community service) and she was rejected to UChicago, Yale, and a couple of other schools. Today, she attends a small liberal arts school. Yale was a tearjerker for her because that was her first choice. Another student, however, got accepted to Yale even though she did not have nearly the same credentials as our valedictorian. This second student had a 100% acceptance rate to all 16 of her schools which included HYPSM, but there was a reason behind that (most likely a fantastic minority student). The moral of the story is, there’s always external factors that play into being accepted into a school. Don’t take a rejection personally because you should be thankful that another college has seen something great in you.</p>
<p>1) Re admission to UToronto: Check out [url=<a href=“http://www.adm.utoronto.ca/adm-awards/admissions.action]Admissions[/url”>http://www.adm.utoronto.ca/adm-awards/admissions.action]Admissions[/url</a>] to find out what you will need to do to qualify for admission. The Canadian U system is different than the one in the US. Most Canadian U’s (including UToronto, I believe) admit primarily on numbers and numbers alone. Admission depends on your stats and how competitive the college and particular program you’re applying to is.</p>
<p>2) As you already know, you’ll be an international applicant to tippy-top US university. Have you (and your parents) talked about how to ** pay ** for a tippy-top US university? Even the super-endowed tippy-top US universities are typically very stingy with financial aid for international students. Will you be a full-pay student?</p>
<p>3) Your US list is focused heavily on schools with super-high rejection rates. Once a school is rejecting 80% or more of their applicants, there will be some “win the lottery” aspects to admission. In other words, if a university is rejecting 80% or more of the applicants, you know that they are rejecting plenty of applicants with every possible combination of:</p>
<p>perfect or near perfect gpa; super high SAT/ACT scores; great ECs</p>
<p>That’s why every one keeps telling you that you need to find some matches or safeties. What will you do if you get * no fat envelopes * come April 1? Is there a school in Saudi Arabia that you will go to instead?</p>
<p>4) A recent post makes it sound like you’re leaning towards applying to UPenn ED. ou can only apply to one school ED and ED is binding. In other words, if UPenn accepts you ED, you will need to withdraw all other applications immediately—that means before you find out whether the other schools accept you or not.</p>
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Colleges are aware that most people pad their applications with activities that they have no interest in continuing when they are accepted to college."</p>
<p>Places like Ivies are aware of that and that probably makes it relatively easy for those colleges to reject most of their applicants.</p>
<p>The fact that, for instance, Harvard has more NCAA division 1 sports teams than does any other college, and has 400 clubs and organizations that are student run indicates that the students who do get into places like Harvard are sincere about their ECs. It’s also typical for students to be deeply involved in organizations that have no connection to their majors or their career aspirations. </p>
<p>For instance, last time I visited Harvard, the editor of their student daily newspaper was a student was a biochem major who planned to go to med school. Very few members of that hardworking staff plan to be journalists. </p>
<p>President John Kennedy and Franklin Roosevelt were Crimson editors in chief when they attended Harvard. </p>
<p>“I would not completely rule out appealing IF there is something outstanding that recently happened or that you did not include in your original app for some reason.”</p>
<p>While there are appeals processes for places like U Cals that tend to heavily base admissions on stats and state of residence, there’s no appeals process for places like Ivies because most applicants who apply have the stats to be accepted. What admissions officers at Ivies care about is building a well rounded, active, class.</p>
<p>@Honesto: Cant I apply ED to UPenn whilst applying regular decision at other schools at the same time? I thought ED meant that if you did get accepted, you have to go (and thus having to cancel all your applications immediately)? Im confused now :S</p>
<p>@Orchidork: UToronto</p>
<p>@Robinsuesanders:
1)I read up for canadian admissions (especially under the OUAC apps), and even called the admissions office. They’re looking for numbers for people coming from non-US style schools. Thank god I don’t go to one, or else my SAT score (in 2 days!! eek!) will come into play</p>
<p>2) Cash. Or if timed correctly, King Abdullah’s foreign scholarship program. really nice of him.</p>
<p>3)Funny you brought that up. Im waiting for my SAT scores to come^, and asking my counselor to calculate my GPA and adjust for scheduling and curriculum differences, then Im making a more ideal list! promise! Thats what my father says…UToronto, or King Fahad University for Petroleum and Minerals, my school is the only one (i think, maybe one other top school in Riyadh) that has a special agreement with them regarding preadmission for its top 2 or 3 students.</p>
<p>Ever heard of King Fahad University for Petroleum and Minerals before?? didn’t think so </p>
<p>4) snap!!I understand ED…but I never knew I had to withdraw IMMEDIATELY…I thought you kept going but had to decline each offer you got and thats pretty much it. Does this apply to CANADIAN universities (will they know if I “ran away”? not that Im planning to run away from WHARTON…if i ever get accepted)? :D</p>
<p>While every human being is unique, not everyone can contribute to the well roundedness of a place like an Ivy. For instance, Ivies probably could fill their classes with outstanding wealthy premed, students from New York, Boston, and Philadelphia. That however, wouldn’t create a well rounded class. Places like Ivies want to have students from poor backgrounds, students who grew up working on family farms, students from Idaho, students who love to write science fiction, students who want to major in Japanese, students who want to be ministers, and students who’ll play on the ultimate frisbee team, too.</p>
<p>Being accepted early decision means you’ll never know the admissions outcome from the other schools you were interested in. You do realize that you will be in the international pool of applicants and that will make it even harder to get into the top schools.</p>
<p>Hmmm…
I got rejected from UMich Ross (accepted to LSA though), Wharton, Harvard, Cornell, Yale, and waitlisted at NU.
To be perfectly honest, they weren’t that big a deal considering I got into UChicago EA. Had that thick envelope from Chi not come then I might have been really really ****ed.</p>
<p>OP…here’s a little possibility to add to your anxiety. Our daughter applied to many of the same schools that interest you. We were not prepared in the slightest for what awaited her on April 1. She received 3 rejections (Harvard, Stanford, & Yale), 7 acceptances, and…wait for it…8 WAITLISTS!!! You ask about how one deals with rejection…the uncertainty of being waitlisted at so many top schools is nothing short of purgatory. She’s very happy with the school she selected, and is eager to attend this fall. I’m actually going to take a dissenting viewpoint from many and say if you choose to apply to numerous super-selective schools, AND YOU CAN LEGITIMATELY ARGUE WHY EACH WOULD BE A SUITABLE FIT, go for it. I would caution you to follow the advice of a few others, though, and say if you choose to do this make absolutely certain you cast a wide net and have other, more realistic, schools on your list you’d be happy attending. On paper, it doesn’t make sense why a kid like our daughter had the outcome she did. However, like others have said:</p>
<p>i don’t like rejection. i never had the opportunity to be rejected as I am well protected by my family and friends.</p>
<p>But after graduating in high school, I decided to move out of the house, “try” to be independent by making decisions on my own, do my own budgeting (which is always struggling; I shop, you see).</p>
<p>I applied for two state colleges. The first letter I got is from a state U here in Los Angeles, I felt I carried the world on my shoulder. I was so depressed. </p>
<p>These are the things I did:
Talked to my folks and friends
Listened to music
and
Wrote down on my journal.</p>
<p>For a month, I was tormented… until the second envelop arrived and said I passed and I am scheduled for an interview to the college.</p>
<p>“To be honest, a rejection is not nearly as distressing and abysmal as being accepted to college that you really want to go to and can’t afford to go to”</p>
<p>I couldn’t agree with this more. I was deferred ED and later rejected from my top choice (Columbia), but that wasn’t nearly as upsetting to me as receiving the big envelope from NYU (my #2) and then finding that it would require nearly $100,000 in loans to make attending possible. You’ll come to terms with your rejections pretty quickly. It’s the ones that you’re accepted to but aren’t economically feasible that’ll nag at you.</p>
<p>Equally bad, I’ve learned, is that nagging “what if” feeling about the schools you didn’t apply to. Rejection, surprisingly, isn’t nearly as bad as some of the other aftermath you’ll deal with.</p>
<p>Even if they wanted to tell some of their applicants why they weren’t selected, they probably couldn’t do so in a meaningful way, simply because nearly all of the applicants possess the absolute qualifications to succeed, but may by less desirable than other applicants for a number of reasons.</p>
<p>@Pea: I know…but what Im reading/hearing on the internet is completely different from what Im actually seeing… I personally know 5 alums from my school who got into Harvard, had a 1950-2000 SAT, 3.85-4.0 GPA, and compared to American ECs, below standard ( a hunder here, 50 there, 20 here, like that)!!</p>
<p>How is that possible? They arent scholarship students (well-off, 700-950k usd a year approx.), not URM (cuz apparently arabs arent), no hooks, nothing.</p>
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