<p>If your children took the Jan 27th SAT, you should read this cc:
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=293963%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=293963</a></p>
<p>Wow, if that's true, it is simply awful!</p>
<p>There are always silly threads like this after each SAT I test date, and I'm quite sure that they are always wrong.</p>
<p>This one has validity. Just look at the discussion thread for the Dec 2005 SAT and then look at the one this past one. It's the same questions.</p>
<p>I email the collegeboard to verify it. I am sure as usual collegeboard would not clarify this.</p>
<p>Why does it matter? Isn't it common knowledge that SAT's are recycled? </p>
<p>I took SAT II Bio on November of one year and then saw the same test in June. I didn't bother retaking since I had a 770.</p>
<p>Often the explanation is that questions that were part of an experimental or "equating" section (used to test the validity of questions in predicting college performance) are used again as "real" questions.</p>
<p>No one has ever shown that an entire test from beginning to end had the same questions AND ANSWERS in all scored sections as another, earlier used test. It is well known that questions are recycled from test to test, being used first in blocks of "equating sections" that don't count for the student's SAT I score.</p>
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No one has ever shown that an entire test from beginning to end had the same questions AND ANSWERS in all scored sections as another, earlier used test. It is well known that questions are recycled from test to test, being used first in blocks of "equating sections" that don't count for the student's SAT I score.
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<p>Token, except for the essay, that is simply NOT the case. The recycling is far from being solely based on equating sections. Entire tests have been recycled, and it is a known fact that ETS has given the SAME test on a Saturday AND the following Sunday to religiously exempted students, or a few days later to students who needed extra time. One particular student on CC was VERY happy to find out the special time test given during the week was identical to one that had debated ad nauseam a few days before. This is not idle speculation, but factual knowledge. And, by the way, ever wondered why "professionals" have found such great business in the easy diagnosis of learning deficiencies? </p>
<p>What has not happened is that ETS has recycled tests that were OFFICIALY released. However, with the advent of the internet that simply no long matters. Check the SAT discussions with closer attention!</p>
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it is a known fact that ETS has given the SAME test on a Saturday AND the following Sunday to religiously exempted students, or a few days later to students who needed extra time.
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<p>Well, you certainly pay closer attention to SAT testing issues than anyone else I know, and I have seen the claim you make made here on CC before, but how do we know that it is true?</p>
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There are seven tests given each year. Of those, four exams are made publicly available afterward, ETS spokesman Tom Ewing said. Those exams are never reused.</p>
<p>But the other three are candidates for reuse. ETS says test books are carefully collected after those exams. But since the recycling practice is well known in test-prep circles, the questions on these exams are like gold to test-takers and tutors.</p>
<p>"Certainly there are students who keep their booklets," Quattrociocchi said. Regardless, test-prep companies can practically reassemble them. While he says Princeton Review does not collect full copies of the copyrighted exams, it sends students and employees to take the test each time it's offered and report back. An hour after Saturday's exam, he said, the company had figured out the exam was a repeat.
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<p>Well, if you read it on the internet.... or CNN... it must be true.</p>
<p>I am a teaching assistant who helps proctor the SAT for students with modifications. I have read the same test to students three times in the last two or three years. I was "assured" that no one ever takes the same test twice, but I wouldn't be surprised.</p>
<p>You read whole tests out loud to students? Or do you just read selected sections? Do you do that for varying kinds of special needs?</p>
<p>(a bit off-topic but related: sat2 math. last saturday = last june)</p>
<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/archive/index.php/t-197778.html%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/archive/index.php/t-197778.html</a>
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=293208%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=293208</a></p>
<p>well.. 50/50 of the questions are the same... but I'm not sure how many of those are 'scored'</p>
<p>A student may have the modification of having the entire test read to him/her, but most of them don't choose to have the whole math section read out loud - maybe two or three more complicated word problems. But I read all of the verbal part - I follow a script. These students have time-and-a-half or double time as well. There are also students who have extended time without having the test read to them. Kids with extended time do not take the experimental section.</p>