***December 2013 - Literature***

<p>Hey, to all those out there that took arguably the hardest subject test out there today, let's discuss our answers.</p>

<p>for the passage about Antony and Caesar, did anyone get an answer involving "being drunk in public"? what about the question asking what technique Caesar uses; was it "pretending to condone something he actually criticizes"?</p>

<p>And the question asking the main reason Caesar is upset with Antony, was it because Antony was neglecting his stately duties?</p>

<p>For the longer poem that wasnt separated into stanzas (it was the one relating frost/spring to relationships), i put that the “variation” referred to changes in tone. Also I put I, II and III for a question for that passage</p>

<p>For the passage about the weird family who dont want friends, did anyone put:
epithet; shows the girl is an object
the birthday dinner will probably be “socially awkward but musically lively” or something like that?
for the I/II/III question, was it just I? (shows the shallowness of the family’s relationship)</p>

<p>I put down the exact same answers you did for both passages. The I/II/III question imo was I only.
For the jasmine passage, what did you guys put down for the reasoning of putting prime minister right after talking about the Aunt and uncle?</p>

<p>I know I answered something about being drunk in public, but honestly the drama passage was so hard… I wasn’t even sure what Caesar said in the end so I just guessed :smiley: But I think I got the same answers for the weird family passage
And for the Indian girl passage - the aunt and uncle, I think I put something like placing it in bigger context…? Not sure</p>

<p>lol i think that caeser passage took me the longest to interpret. for jasmine, I put putting it in a bigger context as well. i just wasn’t sure.
For the poem about the guy loving nature (where he talks about the mountains and he has to say adieu), what was the answer to what his dream meant? the answers were beauty&creativity, permanence&stability… I put permanence but that is probably wrong</p>

<p>This is gonna sound wierd but i actually enjoyed the literature test tdy. I just got out of three subjects tests and I took it last. The. Caesar one was the hardest to interpret and I loved the jasmine one. What do u guys think u did? And anyone know what the scale chart looks like for the sixty questions?</p>

<p>I put permanence and stability was the nature dude’s dream. Probably not right, but he seemed sad that he was dying. </p>

<p>What was the purpose of jasmine being used in that first paragraph? I put it symbolized a persona she would adopt. </p>

<p>The one about the strict parents was mind boggling to me. I put her birthday will be a stressful experience.</p>

<p>I liked the poem and the Indian one. The rest were stupid and annoying. I need to see a scale to guess what my score would be.</p>

<p>anyone else think that the passages were really long?
i basically ran out of time</p>

<p>I really liked the passages as well! :slight_smile: Well, except Caesar perhaps, but that’s because it kind of confused me… and I’m not sure how well I did in actually answering the questions :smiley: And for the jasmine in her hair I said it represented the love between the two… ? What did you put for “inconsolable” or something in the first passage?</p>

<p>for the jasmine in hair the question asked in the context of the story so i put something about it predicting her future or along those lines since she was renamed jasmine</p>

<p>inconsolable im not sure but i put something like difference between whats perceived outside and how she really feels</p>

<p>The passages felt really long. I didn’t run out of time though. I just made it. I skipped 3 or 4 questions.</p>

<p>What did u guys get for the aunt and child passage</p>

<p>Is there a curve? This was hard…</p>

<p>I said the aunt/boy one was affectionate fighting or something like that. And her cooking/the portraits of the old ppl represented all but love/affection. And the boys tone was overly polite… And she kept asking questions for all reasons except for wanting to know his preference I think</p>

<p>I put all of those same answers cloverleaf96. </p>

<p>Has anyone actually studied/taken a class relevant to this test? I just took it because I haven’t taken Chemistry and my Physics class didn’t include magnetism and light. Just banking on my Critical Reading skills.</p>

<p>was love/affection even an option for that question?
i remember continuity, warmth, competence</p>

<p>Can we just take a moment to talk about the Podsnaps.</p>

<p>What the heck was that. Least favorite passage by far. Of course it was first.</p>

<p>“And the question asking the main reason Caesar is upset with Antony, was it because Antony was neglecting his stately duties?”</p>

<p>I don’t think this is right. Caesar has this whole thing where he talks about how even if you give him that hanging out on the street at noon instead of governing is ok, he’s messed up because he doesn’t “fill his emptiness” with other things at ALL—which, in my opinion, makes the answer a lack of balance between vice and virtue.
This is the passage I’m referring to: “You are too indulgent. Let us grant, it is not
Amiss to tumble on the bed of Ptolemy;
To give a kingdom for a mirth; to sit
And keep the turn of tippling with a slave;
To reel the streets at noon, and stand the buffet
With knaves that smell of sweat: say this
becomes him,–
As his composure must be rare indeed
Whom these things cannot blemish,–yet must Antony
No way excuse his soils, when we do bear
So great weight in his lightness. If he fill’d
His vacancy with his voluptuousness,
Full surfeits, and the dryness of his bones,
Call on him for’t: but to confound such time,
That drums him from his sport, and speaks as loud
As his own state and ours,–'tis to be chid
As we rate boys, who, being mature in knowledge,
Pawn their experience to their present pleasure,
And so rebel to judgment.”</p>

<p>For the “variation” in line three, I could be wrong about this, but I put it was the iambic rhythm. The exact excerpt is “When they taught me that what mattered most
was not the strict iambic line goose-stepping
over the page but the variations
in that line and the tension produced
on the ear by the surprise of difference,
I understood yet didn’t understand
exactly, until just now, years later”</p>

<p>This doesn’t sound like she means “tone” to me, it sounds more like syntax or the order/length of wording, whereas tone is more relevant to the content (I could easily be wrong about this).</p>

<p>For the birthday dinner, I don’t think musically enjoyable was right. The whole thing about quadrille dancing didn’t seem very fun for Georgiana (indeed, she never even comments on it) so I didn’t think that could be an answer (also, how fun can quadrille dancing possibly be?). I put “intimidating and tedious” I think. Here’s the passage for that:</p>

<p>So it came to pass that Mr and Mrs Podsnap requested the honour of the company of seventeen friends of their souls at dinner; and that they substituted other friends of their souls for such of the seventeen original friends of their souls as deeply regretted that a prior engagement prevented their having the honour of dining with Mr and Mrs Podsnap, in pursuance of their kind invitation; and that Mrs Podsnap said of all these inconsolable personages, as she checked them off with a pencil in her list, ‘Asked, at any rate, and got rid of;’ and that they successfully disposed of a good many friends of their souls in this way, and felt their consciences much lightened.</p>

<p>There were still other friends of their souls who were not entitled to be asked to dinner, but had a claim to be invited to come and take a haunch of mutton vapour-bath at half-past nine. For the clearing off of these worthies, Mrs Podsnap added a small and early evening to the dinner, and looked in at the music-shop to bespeak a well-conducted automaton to come and play quadrilles for a carpet dance.</p>

<p>Also, for the inconsolable one, I think I put distance between what is said and what is felt (the people aren’t really their friends, so they don’t care about the party, but they say they’re terribly sorry/inconsolable).</p>

<p>goldenvictory, </p>

<p>i believe for the caesar question it’s the stately duties; here’s the passage in understandable format
CAESAR
Now you’ll see, Lepidus, that I don’t disdain our noble ally because of a personal whim. Here’s the news from Alexandra: Antony fishes, drinks, and celebrates all night. He’s become as frivolous and self-indulgent as
Ptolemy</p>

<p>Ptolemy was Pharaoh of Egypt and Cleopatra’s husband, now dead. (He was also her younger brother.)
Ptolemy’s queen, Cleopatra. He rarely attends to his duties or acknowledges he has partners to be considered. Here’s a man who is the epitome of all the vices known to man. </p>

<p>LEPIDUS
I can’t believe there could be enough vice in the world to outshine all the good in him. His faults stand out because they must be compared to all his virtues, like stars that shine brightly against the dark night sky. They’re more likely to be the result of inherited weakness than independent choice.</p>

<p>CAESAR
You’re too forgiving. Let’s say, for argument’s sake, that it’s not improper to fool around with Ptolemy’s wife, or to trade a kingdom for a joke. That it’s fine to engage in drinking matches with inferiors, or stumble drunkenly through the streets in the middle of the day, or get into fist fights with sweaty servants. Even if we said that this behavior suits him—though only a man with a perfect character could avoid being disgraced by such antics—there’s no excuse for the extra work we’ve had to take on while he’s been off amusing himself. If he’s been spending his leisure time in lustful pursuits, then he’ll be punished with venereal diseases, and that’s his business. But he’s wasting time and resources vital to our cause and endangering both his position and ours. He should be chastised, like any boy who knows what’s right but chooses to satisfy his desires regardless.</p>

<p>i also got the same answer for “variation” as rhythm
for the birthday dinner i put that it would be musical, but dull for georginia</p>

<p>i also got the same answer for inconsolable.</p>