<p>Admissions is still saying decisions will be around the 20th. and they are still making decisions on appications. implied we would not find out on friday.</p>
<p>They are always going to say that they will tell you around the deadline. I think they do that pretty much every year so in case something goes wrong or whatever, or they need extra time they havent lied to anyone</p>
<p>^^a g r e e d.</p>
<p>most schools are saying some apps are still in group discussion. and with the turn of events at chhs and who knows what else, there may be some re reviewing if that makes sense.</p>
<p>yeah, you could very well be right about chhs slowing them down. But i guess what i am considering is that they let us know about the first decision almost a full month early. So maybe two weeks early for this decision wouldn't be too out of the question. But you certainly have a point about CHHS slowing down the process some. It's probably going to be impossible to know when they are coming out until the day of. But i still think this friday will probably be the day, or at least i hope so... i'm tired of waiting</p>
<p>okk, I live in CA so I don't really get much of the CH news lol. What happened there?</p>
<p>ok, i could literally type up a novel about the situation but it is pretty much 4 kids who got caught. one had a master key and used it and his camera phone and the help of others, to take pictures of the AP Government midterm. they sent out an email that many other students received. these 4 ppl only got 6 days OSS so far. however, they are calling their colleges, which they should. the master key has supposedly been a "tradition" to hand it down from older to younger sibling. they know the cheating goes back 2 and possibly 3 years. and that it may have also occurred in other classes. this completely screws our rep. and the people graduating in 08 and afterwards. and also screws up the class rank, which is obviously important to colleges. overall, it a situation that is only getting worse. and some who got caught, applied to UNC and got in, and now UNC and many other schools are reviewing their decisions because of the scandal. therefore this could slow the process down.</p>
<p>sorry guys, im ashamed that i even go to the school now.</p>
<p>What doughvato04 said^</p>
<p>He probably knows more about it than I do.</p>
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It's not your fault, I'm sorry you have to suffer through that. best of luck!</p>
<p>the best that can come out of this situation is closure because the principal hasnt even told us the entire story and all the solid facts. oh and the guy who had the master key, has very similar stats to me and got into UNC. All i can hope is that i get his spot since ive been deferred and did really well on my MYR WITHOUT cheating. the guy sits next to me in AP Lit, its soo hard to not just tell him off.</p>
<p>this waiting game is killing me though, i jsut hope it comes out soon. </p>
<p>and thanks vc08</p>
<p>D goes to CHHS. The school is rife with cheating and the key/cell phone are just the tip of the iceburg. Sadly, UNC is allowing some of the unworthy cheats at CHHS to stay. Why? Parents, legacy status and lawyers. Some of D's friends are writing letters of outrage to UNC and many students are sending tips to UNC about other cheats. A real mess. The additional information and time tied up with lawyers could be adding to the delay. About 200-300 students from CHHS apply to UNC each year. I just hope the scandal doesn't ruin D's chances at the schools she has applied to. The two C's she made at CHHS may actually work to her advantage! Obviously she doesn't cheat.</p>
<p>Good luck to all of you honest students. I hope UNC has the wisdom to choose you over the unworthy.</p>
<p>This can't be good for UNC. If the post above is accurate, heads should roll at CHHS. It's not just a student problem.</p>
<p>My sympathy to all those honest kids caught up in this mess.</p>
<p>husband spends time in the area for work and said it is all everyone there talks about. supposed to be the best public hs in the area and maybe even in nc and everyone feeds "cheated" sorry for the pun, cause if their kid did not get in is it due in part to this.</p>
<p>and the news says that most of the kids suspected aren't getting in trouble due to lack of proof. how in the world can students get into a hs with their own key for years and no one notices. no alarm, no security, no one even notices? </p>
<p>and just because you go there does not mean you are one of the cheaters and we all know that. you worked hard and did what you were supposed to. but what gets me is this: daughter went to a school and on the 8th grade field trip, kids were doing drugs. everyone that even saw it got suspended for the rest of the school year and could not return until the next fall. if chhs wants to clean this up and save their reputation, they need to clean house and I mean all the kids that knew need to go and all the staff that turned a blind eye needs to go. Or they run the risk of hurting the repuation of all the honest, good kids and parents.</p>
<p>2007mom wrote " . . .I mean all the kids that knew need to go and all the staff that turned a blind eye needs to go. . . ."</p>
<p>Your statement is well intentioned, but incredibly naive. Be it CHHS or any other high school, such draconian (perhaps appropriate) steps will not be taken. Those who knew, but didn't participate, should go? If I'm a civil lawyer within driving distance of CH, my mouth is watering at the prospect of representing some of these kids.</p>
<p>I, too, don't understand how after hours access isn't caught for several years. Catching the cheating part is more elusive, however. I suspect there's lots we don't know.</p>
<p>Hornet, much of your post reeks of internet forum hyperbole. Without lots of hard facts (which you couldn't/shouldn't reveal anyway on an open board) I'd say it's not wise to cast aspersions on an entire institution.</p>
<p>Note: I attended CHHS many moons ago, but I'm sure I wouldn't recognize the place/people today.</p>
<p>hornet, i actually appreciated your post. for those of us that are not in the area and find this not only surprising but wondering how no one knew about this until now, it was interesting to see it from someone's eyes that is really there. again, when you said that it is naive to think all involved and all that did nothing should go, most schools would want that for their reputation. and there is much we don't know but you have to start somewhere. since i know of schools that have taken cheating or drugs or other problems and made it an example of what can happen to you if you participate in it, i do believe that chhs needs to clean house. it is a very good school and for everyone's sake, they need to be tough on this situation. you have to remember that if you are moving into the area, if you are an adult with kids and your reference to schools is the media, the realtors, and coworkers, you want a school that takes a firm stance on these things. at least for me i would want a school that did not tolerate this and make it clear to the student body but expelling kids that did this.</p>
<p>Polarisking,
I am saddened that your words are so harsh. I consider my choice of words not to be hyperbole but certainly void of "political correctness". I have great respect for UNC as an institution. However, money and power do talk and the ability of some parents to hire legal counsel can affect outcomes. I am not spreading rumors. My information about UNC and their admission considerations comes from the Sunday edition of the Chapel Hill News. The article posted a statement that UNC would allow students to come forward and "admit" their cheating before acting on an admission. This is what has outraged the honest students at CHHS. Words do need to be conveyed in a forceful manner if we are to affect change.</p>
<p>Students have always known of cheating at CHHS and I have spent four years listening to my daughter struggle with remaining honest in this environment. I have approached teachers and shared my concerns. Some have responded as if my D and I were delusional. The principal and a few teachers have not challenged D's observations and respectfully listened to our concerns. As to the key, very few students knew it even existed.</p>
<p>wait, i must have misread here. i thought you were saying chhs was allowing kids to retake exams and remain. are you also saying the unc is going to let the cheating kids go to unc and are not going to rescind the acceptance? not to question you, but if unc is not concerned enough with the cheating and are taking these kids before others that did not cheat and might have been lower in class rank or gpa, them I am not only shocked but saddened.</p>
<p>I cannot help but think UNC would know that this is not the right way to reward kids that pull every string possible to one up each other. Some on this site have excused the cheating because chhs is a "pressure cooker". Even the school rep said this. Well, I would think if the students can't handle the need to do well without cheating, you wouldn't want them in your college.</p>
<p>Please, I don't want to start a fight here but you must see that you can find an excuse for everything if you look hard enough, so it does not help the cheaters to make excuses for them. Giving them the chance to go to their selected colleges just simply rewards them for the cheating.</p>
<p>2007mom: I hope the Chapel Hill News got it wrong on UNC's position and I hope that UNC is not giving these kids a second chance. The dishonesty, in any form , is not a "mistake" and should have a consequence. The HS did allow several of the cheating students to retake semester exams and allowed the semester grade for each nine weeks to remain as it was (I wonder how much of those 9 week grades were earned cheating). The exams are only worth 20% of the semester grade. With a retake, the cheating students did not receive much punishment with regard to their grade/rank being lowered.</p>
<p>Chapel Hill News 3/2/2008: by Neil Pedersen, Superintendent of Chapel Hill-Carrboro City Schools.</p>
<p>"In the recent event at CHHS, we have evidence that two students possessed master keys to the school and that two students exchanged a photograph of a test via cell phone. Approximately eight other students were implicated, but evidence did not support further disciplinary action beyond retesting."</p>
<p>chapelhillnews.com</a> | Let s be clear on cheating</p>
<p>The editorial staff has a harsher assessment of how the situation was handled.</p>
<p>chapelhillnews.com</a> | Shining a light on cheating</p>
<p>2007mom and hornet, I cannot find references to what UNC is/is not doing about admits.</p>
<p>The online versions do not have the full compliment of articles in Sunday's edition. You would need a paper copy.</p>