Decisions

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If she did in fact give money and got in...welcome to the real world. Look around: The nation is run by millionaires, companies such as Halliburton send our troops to Iraq, Bill Clinton was able to avoid the draft, George Bush may not have dodged but he was given a fluff assignment. Open your eyes...

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<p>You're slightly off-base. Yes, it can be said that the world (not just the US!) is run by the well-connected. </p>

<p>I don't know how Halliburton sends troops to Iraq or how Clinton dodged the draft (he was a Georgetown student, Rhodes Scholar and Yale law student during the time of the draft).</p>

<p>I love how all these people show up today with no posts raring to bash UVA.</p>

<p>I don't get these stories....what could this girl possibly be doing to get a teacher to arbitrarily raise a grade 8 points...? Maybe you guys should get some tips from her. Ha jk. It sounds pretty awful. Maybe she knew a powerful alum? This can make big difference. The fact is, this is pretty much the norm at the majority of top institutions in the country.</p>

<p>motherdear/idefinecool - get off of here...these kids just got their decisions yesterday, give them a BREAK! they're 17/18 year olds, they still have a bit a maturing to do (9 months before they even begin college) and they're frutrated...dont get on here and tell them that "adcoms are gonna get on here and read your stuff and hunt you dont and auto-reject you" cuz its crap and you know it...if kids use this to rant and rave about these issues, LET THEM, as its better than them going off and going nuts or shooting someone or something...go complain about "spoiled kids" that "ruin their chances" elsewhere, cuz kids pick on kids in high school, its a normal thing, so leave it alone</p>

<p>On the collegeboard.com stats of UVA, their student body's GPA is: </p>

<p>83% had h.s. GPA of 3.75 and higher
11% had h.s. GPA between 3.5 and 3.74
4% had h.s. GPA between 3.25 and 3.49
1% had h.s. GPA between 3.0 and 3.24
1% had h.s. GPA between 2.5 and 2.99</p>

<p>In the person's "bitter" letter, she stated that UVA NEVER admitted students with a 3.3 GPA. Uh, not so. Look, there's even a 1% of people w/ a 2.5 or 2.99, and another 1% b/w 3.0 and 3.24. There's even a 4% category that the 3.3 girl could have been in.</p>

<p>"I don't know how Halliburton sends troops to Iraq or how Clinton dodged the draft (he was a Georgetown student, Rhodes Scholar and Yale law student during the time of the draft)."</p>

<p>I'm not trying to start a political discussion, nor am I trying to insult you, but read a few articles about the connection between Dick Cheney, Halliburton, oil, and Iraq. I think there is actually a committe report coming out within the next week or two about the subject.</p>

<p>And maybe Bill Clinton was a bad example, but since before the Civil War, the wealthy and their sons have been able to avoid serving the military. Some Representative is actually supporting a bill right now that would only allow medical exemptions for the draft. Yep, no exemptions for college students :( It prob wont get passed though lol.</p>

<p>Anyway, my previous response was mostly out of anger. I just felt bad for the girl that was publicly getting trashed, and she just seemed the scapegoat for all of their problems. I was accepted so I geuss I find it hard to sympathize. I'm not saying I agree, but I will agree to not publicly disagreeing. </p>

<p>P.S. I wasn't really trying to scare anyone, I was just warning them that it is a possibility. My GC actually warned me about the same thing. So maybe its the after effects of my personal paranioa, but I'd just watch your posts, because this is public.</p>

<p>Decision: REJECTED- not even deferred</p>

<p>In-state, Asian male from Stafford, VA.</p>

<p>STATS (COPIED FROM CHANCES/COLLEGE SEARCH POST I MADE:</p>

<p>"GPA: 3.82 Weighted (class rank: 55/389) :-X i know this went up though because the first semester was already over for 2 of my classes. Transcript is meh, I have like 2 Cs I think on there, but both are in AP classes...if that matters.</p>

<p>SAT:</p>

<p>first time:</p>

<p>1990 (680 writing, 670 Math, 640 Reading, 11 essay)</p>

<p>second time:</p>

<p>2060 (610 CR, 800 M, 650 W, 8 essay)</p>

<p>basically best combo is 2120, 800M, 640R, 680W.</p>

<p>SAT IIs coming soon, just took 'em today, both Maths should be good but I think US History won't be that great.</p>

<p>Our grading scale is pretty tough, no weights for honors classes. AP is out of 5.0 scale. 98-100 is A+, 94-97 is A, 90-93 is B+, 86-89 is B, 82-85 is C+...etc. I think the scale is relatively tough compared to my friends' schools.</p>

<p>Awards/Accolades:</p>

<p>Academic Achievement Award- (GPA >3.5) (9, 10, 11)
Academic Letter- (maintaining GPA>3.8 for 5 semesters) (11)
Magna Cum Laude Award from National Latin Exam (9, 10)
Cum Laude Award in National Latin Exam (11)
Attended University of Virginia’s selective Summer Enrichment Program (9th, 11th grade)</p>

<p>Extracurricular Activities/Community Service:</p>

<p>Academic Team (11-12)
Spring Track and Field (10-12)
Winter Track and Field (12)
Latin Club (10-12)
Elected Latin Club Officer- Aedile (Meeting Organizer) (11)
Knowledge Master’s Open (11, will participate in 12)
National Latin Honor Society (10, 11)
National History Day Participant (10)
DECA (12)
High School Literary Magazine (12)
Vacation Bible School volunteer (summer 2006) in Wilmington, Delaware- assisting children from as young as pre-Kindergarten to 6th grade for a week</p>

<p>Work Experience (just copied verbatim from what i put on the college apps, sorry if it sounds haughty):</p>

<p>In terms of work experience, I am a self-employed online entrepreneur. I typically purchase and resell/invest in products on the internet for up to/over $2000 profit each week, my best being a 1600% return. It gives me a variety of skills, including and not limited to time management, customer service, consumer relations, photography, web development, promotion, selling, and insight into the business and entrepreneurial world. I have also begun to sell products for other people, as a consignment service.</p>

<p>AP/Honors Classes Taken (grade taken):</p>

<p>AP World History 9
Honors English 9
AP World History 10
Honors English 10
AP Latin IV (11)
AP Calculus BC (11)
AP US History (11)
AP English-11 Language (11)
AP US/VA Government (12)
AP English-12 Literature (12)
AP Statistics (12)</p>

<p>I began taking high school credit math courses in the 7th grade...so I believe I have 6 HS math credits.</p>

<p>University of Virginia (doing Early Decision) REJECTED- can I apply again? is that even allowed? I wasn't even deferred, just straight up REJECTED. My sis goes to UVA too.</p>

<p>I am also a year ahead, because I skipped a grade. This was included in an essay I wrote for UVA.</p>

<p>My essays were supposedly good according to my AP English teacher. Did not read the recommendation."</p>

<p>Overall I'm prety sad.</p>

<p>maybe they felt you would be more happy at another school. i don't think you can reapply, except perhaps transfer next year. don't beat yourself up about it. and since u were rejected, the best you can do is have your guidance counselor call uva and they may tell you why you were.</p>

<p>good luck on your next college search.</p>

<p>^thanks for the kind words. i will seek my counselor on monday.</p>

<p>Nolan, your rejection has a lot to do with your transcript. It appears that you're smart enough to succeed wherever you go, and the good news is that UVA isn't terribly difficult to transfer into after a year or two.</p>

<p>Congratulations to all who have heard good news! </p>

<p>As a mom, I'm so sorry to those who haven't gotten the results you had hoped for. I know that hurts now, but it really does get better. Having a plan helps a lot. Get busy on your other college applications, if you haven't finished them. If you've been deferred, definitely talk to your guidance counselor and call UVA admissions to find out what you may need to do to build a stronger application for the RD round. Dean J. has some very helpful info the her blog, and CC has a very good article on how to improve your chances.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.collegeconfidential.com/college_admissions/deferral.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.collegeconfidential.com/college_admissions/deferral.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Also, if you haven't looked at UVA's common data set, it's time to do so. </p>

<p><a href="http://www.web.virginia.edu/IAAS/data_catalog/institutional/cds/current/admissions.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.web.virginia.edu/IAAS/data_catalog/institutional/cds/current/admissions.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Best Wishes to ALL!</p>

<p>Nolan - what school did you apply to?</p>

<p>College of Arts and Sciences.</p>

<p>do you take all the hard classes that your school offered NolanDW?</p>

<p>Your status is actually a bit better than mine (the SAT scores) and i'm also asian (so don't think it's because you're Asian).</p>

<p>yes, i took the hardest classes available pretty much- in EVERY subject.</p>

<p>did you get accepted or deferred danzerous?</p>

<p>Development admits are not unique to UVA, most top colleges engage in this practice. I'm not surprised that they found one at Langley HS --</p>

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For eight years, Keith Brodie was the president of Duke University in North Carolina and ultimately, in charge of admissions. </p>

<p>He still teaches part time, within the university's department of psychiatry. According to Brodie, sifting through applicants is an arduous process.</p>

<p>"You look at the last several years, they've seen over 15,000 applications a year [at Duke]," he said.</p>

<p>"You end up discarding about 5,000 as coming from folk you just wouldn't think could graduate. But that leaves you with 10,000 people, and you end up offering about 3,000, of those 10,000, admission. And so the question is how do you pick those 3,000 from that 10,000? And that's where it gets tricky," he said.</p>

<p>Tricky is one way of describing Duke's admissions, but Brodie also says it involves a carefully defined process. Applications are divided into three basic categories. </p>

<p>There's the ordinary hardworking 18-year-old who hopes that exceptional SAT scores will get them in — students like Li. </p>

<p>Then there's the legacy applicant, whose parents are prominent alumni. One example would be Al Gore's four children — all of whom went to Harvard, following in the former vice president's footsteps. Or Senator Majority Leader Bill Frist, whose son, Harrison, followed him to Princeton. </p>

<p>And finally there is the "development admit," a student recommended by the college's financial development office. </p>

<p>Brodie has no bones about explaining what a "development admit" is. </p>

<p>"A 'development admit' would come in perhaps with very low numbers but with high potential for donating money to the university through the family," Brodie said. </p>

<p>Schools as Businesses</p>

<p>Because all of these elite universities are also private businesses, there is a strong push to admit at least some students who will bring additional funds with them in the form of hefty donations. </p>

<p>Duke University's development department has found ever more creative ways of raising capital. Brodie recalls the genius of Joel Fleishman, former Duke vice chancellor. </p>

<p>"He was a consummate artist in basically bringing wealthy applicants to Duke," he said. "He had a Christmas card list that was a mile long. He gave very nice gifts to the families of some of these kids. Many of these families appreciated good wine. And so they would receive fairly expensive bottles of wine from him, and that endeared Duke and Joel to these families." </p>

<p>This way of cultivating development contributions was particularly effective. Author Daniel Golden, who went to Harvard and wrote "The Price of Admission," provided illuminating details with the story of fashion billionaire Ralph Lauren. </p>

<p>According to Golden, Dylan and David Lauren were good students but not outstanding. After the Lauren family reportedly sought consideration as a "development family," he said the Lauren offspring were admitted to Duke and that Fleishman wined and dined the Laurens at Parents' Weekend and other social events. </p>

<p>Golden said the fashion guru eventually pledged a six-figure sum to Duke. </p>

<p>The Power of Influence</p>

<p>According to Brodie, he cut down the number of development admits during his tenure, but it was difficult to stem the tide. He estimates that about 50 percent of Duke's student body is admitted on academic performance alone.
But affluence isn't the only advantage that will help win a place at an elite university. </p>

<p>Influence is also a powerful asset. Author Daniel Golden, who went to Harvard and is the author of "The Price of Admission," details the story of Christopher Ovitz, son of former Hollywood agent and president of Walt Disney, Michael Ovitz. </p>

<p>According to Golden, Christopher Ovitz applied to Brown University, but "was not even in the range of the normal stretch that Brown would make for children of the wealthy and powerful."</p>

<p>But he was granted a place at Brown. Although Christopher Ovitz lasted only a year, according to Golden, Brown has reaped the ongoing rewards from Ovitz and his extensive Hollywood contacts. </p>

<p>"He brought a number of his key clients. A-list people like Martin Scorsese for well-publicized events that gave the campus, you know, a lot of panache," Golden said. </p>

<p>In his book, Golden details strategies utilized by other universities to provide places for the children of privilege. </p>

<p>His analysis asks: Are Ivy League colleges putting places up for sale?
According to Brodie, there's little doubt. </p>

<p>"I believe that is the case that there are few slots in every entering class that are basically for sale," he said.

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<p>wow....it seems like being in the top 10% is very important for UVA</p>

<p>I don't know how NolanDW is outright rejected w/ those stats. Mine is much inferior in all aspects exc. GPA, and I got in.</p>

<p>Asian Male (Vietnamese) to college of Arts
In-state</p>

<p>GPA - Ranked #1 out of 400-500.
Courses - Took 8 APs through junior year, currently taking 5. Self-studying for 2.
SAT - 1900
SATII -Math II - 600, USHist - 800, and Literature - 670
Recs - Good
Essays - Average at most.</p>

<p>Clubs:
Latin Club (9-10, President for 1 year. Then I quit.)
NHS (11-12, everyone gets in.)
Scholastic Bowl 11-12 Captain 12.</p>

<p>Awards -
A few small awards on National Latin Exams.
Placed at competition at National Latin Convention.
Highest GPA in Latin for hs career.
National Scholar w/ Distinction</p>

<p>That's it. I did 2 clubs and got various awards (that doesn't take much to get.) </p>

<p>NolanDW getting outright rejected is very unusual, esp. w/ those stats.</p>

<p>nolan, i got accepted. Oh wow Euro.. your stat is eerily like mine, it's not even funny and I'm also vietnamese. What school do you go to?</p>

<p>I go to Spotsy. HS.</p>

<p>Eurofootball, he didn't have a competitive transcript (rank, gpa). Yours was extremely competitive. No surprise that you got in.</p>