<p>Thanks for the comments and suggestions, I'll pass them on!</p>
<p>I totally disagree momrath. SO MANY students choose between Dartmouth and Brown including myself. Type "Dartmouth vs. Brown" in search. They have very much in common - undergrad focus, "laid back" student body, not too intense, strong social life, happy students, etc.</p>
<p>I don;t think Brown is anything like Swat or Chicago.</p>
<p>slipper, I agree that it's possible to be attracted to elements from each culture. My son's top choices were Williams and Wesleyan which are more different than alike and he was also drawn to Brown. </p>
<p>Personally, I see more overlaps between Brown and Swarthmore and Chicago than I do between Brown and Dartmouth but guess it depends what criteria you're using . Using the criteria of urban location or urban access for example would put Dartmouth and Brown miles apart. Since the OP's friend hadn't visited Dartmouth (we don't know if she visited Brown) and since she's described as a "city girl" there seems to be a disconnect.</p>
<p>Actually I wouldn't say Brown is THAT urban...the east side of providence is hardly NYC, or even Boston for that matter...</p>
<p>If Dartmouth is the right fit, I would say
Williams, Bowdoin, Amherst, Pomona, Middlebury, Cornell, Colby</p>
<p>Brown, if you like Ivy League prestige and the pseudo-LAC feel.</p>
<p>Williams and Middlebury are very similar.</p>
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Actually I wouldn't say Brown is THAT urban...
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Well, I don't know, I'd say it's purely urban just not the good urban. We spent the weekend in Providence. Stayed at a most charming B&B a few steps from campus. It was even (unbeknownst beforehand) Riverfest, Riverfire (or whatever the heck it's called) weekend. Upshot, my son loved it, I hated it.</p>
<p>No one is saying, dartmouth and brown don't have similarities. but, you do have to know what you're getting into. Hanover (NH) is not Providence (RI). For a URM, it might also be important to know that Dartmouth's fraternity/sorority system has a large footprint on campus. That being said, however, if the OP is interested in the quirky, academic side of both schools she will find that in abundance at Wesleyan and Swarthmore. If she's only interested in the whle Ivy/prestige-whore thing, she will probably be happier at Williams. :)</p>
<p>"A City Girl" and she applied to Dartmouth ED without visiting?? </p>
<p>Georgetown
Northwestern
U of Chicago
Swarthmore
Penn
Tufts</p>
<p>And possibly Rice.</p>
<p>Colgate
Tufts
Georgetown
John Hopkins (great engineering program)
Northwestern.</p>
<p>And there is no way Bowdoin is more selective than the Big Green. And I also know this. There have been lots of people deferred and even rejected from Dartmouth who have gone on to get into HYP and Stanford and MIT. Being deferred or rejected from one does not mean you won't fit into the class of the other. After all, their building a community and it's not just scores.</p>
<p>I think there is a difference between the ruralness of Dartmouth vs the ruralness of Williams - often compared. Dartmouth has nearly 5000 students in a rural part of NH, but one with infrastructure - major hospital, etc. It's listed as a large town, despite being a rural location. Williams, on the other hand, is BARELY half that size of Dartmouth's undergrade - 4100 - in a much more remote location. Same with Colgate, although not nearly as selective as either Dartmouth or Williams. Just something to think about when defining "rural."</p>
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Anyway I recommend adding Amherst, Brown, Pomona, Middlebury, Stanford, and Duke
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There have been lots of people deferred and even rejected from Dartmouth who have gone on to get into HYP and Stanford and MIT. Being deferred or rejected from one does not mean you won't fit into the class of the other.
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<p>While being rejected ED at Dartmouth does not necessarily mean one will be rejected RD at historically more selective schools, I would say it would be highly unlikely to gain admittance to gain admission at Stanford, Brown, Duke at this point. There are some that get deferred or rejected at Dartmouth who are accepted at HYP, Stanford, MIT, but there are LOTS more who are not. While it's not all scores, it is the overall attractivess of the candidate that is being examined in each case (which includes scores among other things). Applying to a couple of these on the off chance of the inherent randomness of the process would be wise, but given the situation think it would be more prudent to focus on which of the less selective names she likes better at this point.</p>
<p>Its quirky. I know someone at Dartmouth with a 1350/1600 SAT. So you never know. But tell her she stands an excellent chance of getting in RD, so not to lose hope.</p>
<p>And she will get into at least one UC. Good luck.</p>
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Its quirky. I know someone at Dartmouth with a 1350/1600 SAT.
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<p>That's not so surprising. Look at the ranges. About 1/3 of the class at Dartmouth have a 1350 or lower SAT. There are a lot of factors at play in admissions.</p>
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There are some that get deferred or rejected at Dartmouth who are accepted at HYP, Stanford, MIT, but there are LOTS more who are not.
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<p>I concur. If one is deferred from SCEA Yale, there is a likelihood that one will be admitted to many of the best schools. ED Dartmouth, not as likely. It concerns the quality and strength of the pool.</p>
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<li><p>With her stats, she shall be able to get into one or all three (UCB, UCLA, UCSD). So if she is happy with those schools she need not apply to others.</p></li>
<li><p>For other selective schools, if she hasn't really started the application process, mid-December is a little late. She might not have the time to put in the effort necessary to do a good application.</p></li>
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<p>She will def get into one of the UCs. if you like Carleton also look at William & Mary/Haverford. Great academics, not very stuffy.</p>
<p>try the University Of virginia</p>
<p>If my DS's school is a good example, unhooked ED apps to Dartmouth would be in the running at HYPS. DS was val of a highly competitive school with near perfect SATs and his strategy was to ED Dartmouth because he didn't have the type of mind blowing EC's that would get someone into HS SCEA.</p>
<p>If this applicant is in this category, being a URM she can throw in apps to other very top schools. If she was trying ED with sub par stats I agree with Bowdoin/Colby/Bates which have a harder time attracting URMs.</p>